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Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
24 April 2015 07:02
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There was a photographer on sites like this who used to shoot nudes/lingerie in his spare time for personal work but I believe he also worked for a local newspaper and also took photos for local schools.

Anyway, someone took offence to his personal work and absolutely hounded the bloke on social media, highlighting to as many people as they could to what he does in his spare time and conjuring all manner of unsubstantiated claims to his behaviour. Truly horrible but as this person was anonymously posting there was little he could do.

Really not worth it and I'd suggest if you really do want to work with minors then you have to be absolutely whiter than white (ie. NEVER having shot anything risque) although that's no guarantee someone won't cause trouble.
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Quote from RedChecker
There was a photographer on sites like this..


If it's the same person I'm thinking of (Cumbria based I believe) he was a thoroughly nice bloke too and what happened, purely as a result of someone's vindictiveness, was a great shame.


Skymouse is off-lineGold Member
24 April 2015 08:26
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Quote from billy1300
Hi all I have hade a request from a new model to do a beach bikini shoot. What is the minimum age the model can be to do a shoot like this. The model is 16. Would appreciate some advise on this matter please Thanks billy.



Personally, as someone who also shoots adult or nude content or anything remotely interpretable as sexy, I wouldn't shoot people under 18 in any circumstances or in any style no matter how uncontroversial. In some people's minds, the two unrelated statements "he produces porn" and "he photographs children" will get fused together.

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26 April 2015 04:56
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I'd walk away if this is something that was asked of you.

Imagine the circumstances if the 16 year olds parents didn't know, and found out. If you were the father of a 16 year old girl, would you want her doing bikini shoots?

That's a question to perhaps ask yourself.

If the child was 14, would you do it? Probably not.

12? Absolutely not.

Regardless of the age, this person is a minor.

Walk away.


Toxic Innocence is off-lineSilver Member
27 April 2015 02:43
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I would say no minimum age, provided that the image isn't provocative in any way. I'm pretty sure there are adverts out there with underage models wearing a bikini. However full parental consent is needed.


Ian MACFADYEN is off-lineSilver Member
27 April 2015 14:52
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I don't disagree with any of the comments made above, but it's SO hypocritical that this legislation targets photographers when the police take no action regarding the under-age girlfriend/over 16 boyfriend situation in which they "bond", produce a little unwanted child, but hey, it's OK because it was consentual! No criminal action taken there - just lots of under-age single mums & guys who get away with it. This 16 year old the photographer's talking about could theoretically be married with children and be having sex every night with her husband. He could presumably have his way with her but if he took an indecent photo of her would he then commit a criminal offence?


Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
27 April 2015 16:11
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Quote from Kiboko
I don't disagree with any of the comments made above, but it's SO hypocritical that this legislation targets photographers when the police take no action regarding the under-age girlfriend/over 16 boyfriend situation in which they "bond", produce a little unwanted child, but hey, it's OK because it was consentual! No criminal action taken there - just lots of under-age single mums & guys who get away with it. This 16 year old the photographer's talking about could theoretically be married with children and be having sex every night with her husband. He could presumably have his way with her but if he took an indecent photo of her would he then commit a criminal offence?



No, the law actually permits a degree of freedom when someone under the age of 18 is in a relationship.  Any other person taking photos (for example) outside of a relationship could be perceived as exploiting the person under the age of 18.
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28 April 2015 04:38
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Quote from RedChecker
No, the law actually permits a degree of freedom when someone under the age of 18 is in a relationship.  Any other person taking photos (for example) outside of a relationship could be perceived as exploiting the person under the age of 18.



+1


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28 April 2015 04:55
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I am sorry but I still cannot understand anyone venturing into photographing someone under 18 unless you are a recognised child photographer and covered in so many CRB checks that you cannot move and not shooting glamour or nudes as well. When there are people on the SOR for keeping old copies of the Sun newspaper that contained topless photographs from when it was photographing under 18's in the 80's. When the classification for what can be classed as an indecent image of a child is in the hands of the police, no one else. If the police decide any image of someone under 18 is indecent then it is, no argument until you get into court by which time your reputation has gone and the rest of your life will be in tatters. Steer well clear of anything that involves under 16's that are not fully clothed or are related to you. Its a legal minefield and stepping on one of the mines is so easy. Just think what could happen if the 16 year old so likes the photograph they start texting it around to all their friends and their friends and so on and then police become involved.


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28 April 2015 05:51
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Quote from Kiboko
I don't disagree with any of the comments made above, but it's SO hypocritical that this legislation targets photographers when the police take no action regarding the under-age girlfriend/over 16 boyfriend situation in which they "bond", produce a little unwanted child, but hey, it's OK because it was consentual! No criminal action taken there - just lots of under-age single mums & guys who get away with it. This 16 year old the photographer's talking about could theoretically be married with children and be having sex every night with her husband. He could presumably have his way with her but if he took an indecent photo of her would he then commit a criminal offence?



Getting back to the actual question, rather than the perceived hypocrisy of the law...

No, I wouldn't for one second entertain the idea of photographing any female under the age of 18. Wouldn't matter if it was in a bikini shoot or any outfit whatsoever. The criteria I would always use is " Am I / Would I be completely comfortable with myself taking these shots? " The answer for me is an emphatic NO!

I'll stick with the Jiminy Cricket philosophy..... " Always let your conscience be your guide "

In my personal case, my conscience says Minimum age 18, 2 proofs of age and chaperones welcome.




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