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Contemplating going into artistic nude- any advice? Thoughts? Opinions?

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17 December 2014 06:46
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I have been thinking about doing artistic nude for a while (not adult, erotica, mens magazine stuff).
I am very comfortable with my body, although I feel this would be a big step and would like opinions and advice on the matter before going any further.


Steve Walsh is off-line
17 December 2014 07:07
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Be 100% sure before you take this decision. Once you have taken it and the images are out there you cannot take them back. Prospective employers, partners and friends may all be able to find your work on the Internet so you must be completely happy with that, you won't be able to recall the images later. Consider using a non-de-plume to try and protect yourself. It will bring more work, I'm sure, only you can decide if it's something your happy with


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17 December 2014 07:25
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Most models new to nude seem to enjoy the experience once they've actually got their clothes off but might be nervous leading up to that point. So it might be best to work with a photographer you've modelled for before and who you believe you'll be comfortable with.

Your biggest problem as i see it is ensuring that only images which you're comfortable with are actually published. One man's art nude is another man's glamour or porn and all that. And what about family/friends/colleagues - are you able to deal with any of them seeing images of you naked on the internet?

One way around the control issue is to commission a photographer 'for private and domestic purposes only' which will limit what he might do with the images legally even though he owns copyright. But that will mean paying him otherwise he'll have nothing he can use from the deal!


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17 December 2014 07:56
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You could start with implied if not yet sure. Several of the models I've worked with have talked about the satisfaction they derive from art nude in that it offers an outlet for creativity in the way that many art forms do, and gives images you may genuinely want to hang on a wall. Some also sit for life classes.

I guess its also possible to make a reasonable living as a good, sought-after art nude model but that's a question you should ask them.

Have a look at the portfolios of some of the well-known exponents of art nude and see if you would, could or want to create such images.

http://www.purestorm.com/profile.aspx?id=IvoryFlame
http://www.purestorm.com/profile.aspx?id=Joceline
http://www.purestorm.com/profile.aspx?id=LuluLockhart
http://www.purestorm.com/profile.aspx?id=JenSomerfield

Just a taste of the many excellent art nude ports to be browsed.


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17 December 2014 08:07
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Not sure why, but my hunch says no. It works well for a very few and usually they've got more going in than just the nude thing. Right now I see a stack of unconfirmed bookings and a no show on your profile. I'd suggest give it some time, get your head around other modelling then see how you feel. You might even get repeat bookings from the previous shooters that way too?


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17 December 2014 08:09
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The first question is WHY are you considering doing art nude.  Of course,  there are 1001 answers to that!  However,  if it boils down to you WANT to do so,  then its worth progressing.  If you feel that you have to,  than maybe its less of a good idea.

The above advice re family et al,  is sound.  Its worth considering that no matter how trustworthy a photographer is,  once the shutter is pressed,  you have no control over that image.  So do be sure that you are OK for family/neighbours/work colleagues etc to see the images,  before you decide to go that route.

Remember also,  that the images will last forever.  So be sure that you are happy with that too.

If you have not been put off and are still considering doing art nude,  its well worth having a chat with a model or two who already include that level of work.  I think most models go through much the same process of awkwardness/shyness/mild panic when they first start posing nude.  It is a surprising fact that, as a society, we still see nudity as being a big thing!  (like we weren't all born nude )

I have always advised models to try posing naked in front of a full length mirror, (on their own).  It allows you see how your body looks in various poses and gives a head start when you come to do it front of a camera.  If you know how and where the creses etc are,  you can find ways to still look your best.

You will need to take a bit more care when changing poses.  Sounds daft,  but a little practice in that does no harm.

I'm in two minds whether it is best to start with a photographer you know or not.  Sooner or later though,  you will need to pose nude in front of a photographer you have only just met.

Arguably, pre shoot prep is much more important for nude models.  Its surprising just how long the marks left by bra and knicker elastic,  tight boots, socks, skirt waistbands etc can last.  There's many a good nude shot ruined by such marks.  Studio flash has a remarkable knack of finding such marks,  even when the naked eye doesn't!
The first nude model I ever worked with,  used to travel to a shoot wearing a loose dress with nothing underneath,  just to help avoid marks.
A good nude model will allow enough time for any marks to fade,  before the shoot is due to start.
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17 December 2014 08:09
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And as long as your family, (and future families) are comfortable about it too..................
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17 December 2014 08:42
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Quote from marlhamphoto
Most models new to nude seem to enjoy the experience once they've actually got their clothes off but might be nervous leading up to that point. So it might be best to work with a photographer you've modelled for before and who you believe you'll be comfortable with.

Your biggest problem as i see it is ensuring that only images which you're comfortable with are actually published. One man's art nude is another man's glamour or porn and all that. And what about family/friends/colleagues - are you able to deal with any of them seeing images of you naked on the internet?

One way around the control issue is to commission a photographer 'for private and domestic purposes only' which will limit what he might do with the images legally even though he owns copyright. But that will mean paying him otherwise he'll have nothing he can use from the deal!



^ this

There's some VERY loose interpretations of what's considered 'art nude', especially when you take into account that there are many poor photographers out there.
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17 December 2014 08:58
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I saw there was a late cancellation rather than a no-show.

For me a no-show is unforgiveable unless there are extraordinary circumstances (very rare). There's virtually no excuse for not messaging or picking up the phone and instead leaving the photographer 'hanging'. That's only happened to me twice but it's not pleasant.

But a late cancellation is another thing altogether especially for a new model who has rapidly changing understandings of what she's being asked to do and what constitutes good photography vs what doesn't. I would rather a new model baled out at short notice than undergo a shoot which she may have come to believe isn't in her best interests. In those circumstances I regard the fact that notice was given, albeit within 18 hours of the shoot, as a positive indication. After all it seems that many models would rather not pick up the phone and just no show instead because they see it as the easy way out.

Of course I'm guessing as to the reason - but for me, on its own, it wouldn't have a negative influence on me working with her. But opinions may differ obviously!



redbaron is off-lineSilver Member
17 December 2014 09:02
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You need to understand one thing clearly it is not 'for a while' Once the images have been taken they are not going to vanish any time soon if you decide it was an unwise choice or it no longer fits in with other career of lifestyle choices.

You need to accept that those images will get seen by friends, family and future workmates. Sadly their are people out there who will make a specific point of letting them know given a chance. You also need to realise that no matter how artistic the images are in yours and the photographers eyes a lot of ordinary people, including some of those you know will still consider it porn and will be unable to understand why you do it.

Having said all that it is down to you. The models I have worked with who do nude genuinely seem to enjoy their work. Friends can be dumped, new ones made.

My suggestion is think about it over xmas, perhaps contact some models specializing at the level you want to work for advice on photographers to work with initially, or even more important avoid. If you are happy this is something you want to do then watch out for a chance to work with a photographer you feel can provide the images you need and won't take advantage. There are plenty of them, just take time to be sure.
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