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New law banning photography [videography] of a long list of sex acts

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Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
17 December 2014 07:22
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Quote from Imagefield
By the murder of women in a pornographic context - I am referencing the options to murder the prostitute in order to get your money back after completing one or more sex acts with her. 



This is not part of playing the game per se as it's not part of the script you follow in order to progress, it just simply allows you to do that (and all manner of other horrid things) if you so wish.  If, while playing the game, you are the one who thought of it then who's the sick RedChecker is a naughty person ?  you or the game makers for allowing you to carry out your vile act.

Taking the torture scene out of context is also somewhat wrong as the plot is a nod to the cruelty and paranoia of the US with their anti-terror measures (if you've played GTA games before you'll be well aware that virtually everything in them is a RedChecker is a naughty person take on American culture, behaviour and ideals).  And as I said, that scene is only part of the (somewhat crazy) storyline (about five minutes out of 20-40 hours play time).

Pornography (especially the stronger BDSM) stuff, is simply there for pleasure, you have no control over what's coming while viewing it and it involves real people being restrained, injured or whatever.  You cannot compare it to a videogame
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Imagefield is off-line
17 December 2014 12:13
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Red - I don't think either of us are contesting the content - if its in its in.

Also I agree that question of if its the player/viewer or the producer who is the sick puppy, is always debatable.
But this imersive content is freely available to anyone with cash and an acceptable ID.

Are you sure that all players will understand the GTA nod to US anti terrorism measures; I think it would go over many players heads?

I'm not that certain that you can't compare video & game; the difference being, in one you watch it, in the other you take part.
does that not demonstrate 'common purpose'?



The point I'm making is that there are far worse offenders publicly and aggressively selling scenes/video of murder and torture (often large businesses) that for some reason appear to still fall outside the scope of this fuzzy grey law.

I can buy GTA (or many other similar) in my local town centre. This our society finds it totally acceptable; I doubt very much if I will get a plain wrapper to carry it home in, or even a grey plastic bag as seen on top shelf magazines.

But make and publish a face sitting video of two consenting adults who both throughly enjoy the event and you could be arrested !?


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17 December 2014 13:56
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Quote from RedChecker
Is that the one you'll miss the most if it is?


Lol nope. I fail to understand it.

I'm just aware it can be a good source of income for some models.

Next feckin stupid remark please.


Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
18 December 2014 02:12
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Quote from HowardJ
Next feckin stupid remark please.



Well, I did wonder whether or not your original comment was a veiled attempt of a dig at a certain member (photographer) that almost exclusively films that sort of thing.
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HowardJ is off-line
18 December 2014 08:23
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Well, I did wonder whether or not your original comment was a veiled attempt of a dig at a certain member (photographer) that almost exclusively films that sort of thing.


Nope, I'm fully supportive of any photographer who shoots such content.


Jason McLean is off-line
24 December 2014 15:22
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It's bizzare and highly worrying that society, on one hand, is making great strides with equality of homosexuality (which until a few decades ago was illegal) yet are bringing in draconian laws which affect other people's sexual preferences/dispositions. The Government claim its all to "protect children" from viewing unsavoury footage but, as a number of posters have already pointed out, that is the job of the parents and if they are too damn lazy to be a responsible parent, why should that affect the rights of individuals??

GTA V is a classic example in that it is enjoyed by kids as young as 8 yet it bears a clear 18 restriction and has a notorious enough reputation that parental naivety cannot be used as an excuse and yet, parents line up in their thousands in shops to buy games like this for their darling little children.

The Internet should be regulated insofar as criminal activity should be stamped out. Kiddie porn and beastiality easily fall into that category as the underlying fact is that the participants are not legally consenting to the actions undertaken. A model consenting to bondage/water sports/aggressive whipping etc is not a criminal offence. A viewer with a predilection to watching bondage/water sports/aggressive whipping etc. is not a criminal offence. It is a sexual preference and should be protected by the same laws that protect heterosexual and homosexual preferences.
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Simon Chan is off-line
25 December 2014 06:23
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Quote from RedChecker
It is not uncommon for films to be cut differently when re-released onto a new format as I believe they have to be re-submitted and as such will then have to reflect the rules at the time of submission.  So actually some older versions of films are arguably 'stronger' than recent releases (Enter The Dragon was a good example with the removal of the nunchuck scene for many years on DVD, although many VHS copies had it fully uncut.)



I fully accept that it's unlikely that mainstream films could be affected but as PVFB says, there are some people that want to silver, gold and platinum plate these rules and make them extend well beyond their original remit.



Actually it is very rare for films to be cut differently when resubmit for re release in different format. A re-cut is sometimes needed because of changing times which is rare. Often it is use to re classify for lower rating. You may also get re-cut because the film distributer don't want it to classify it for higher rating out of fear it would not reach the target audience. In recent years most of the time believe it or not scenes that are previously banned have been added back for example "Enter the Dragon" the nunchak scene has been fully restored so your good example is not really a good one after all
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/case-studies/enter-dragon
I don't wish to credit the BBFC because much of that is down to frequent pressure from anti censorship groups and also because the world we live in are more integrated due to the internet. Previously banned material looks stupidly absurd when it is available abroad.

However your assumption about mainstream films being affected by the recent UK enforcement to classify internet content distribution within the UK in line with the BBFC. I'm telling you now not one UK mainstream or even existing R18 sex work that been classified will be affected.



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