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I wonder if a model could twist this around if she has regrets after a shoot?

Natural Happy Girl is off-line
13 October 2014 12:16
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If it's both a personal relationship and a photography one it's more tricky...but to be honest, my feeling is that if you'd worked with a partner to higher levels than you normally would (presuming it's not paid work), and within the context of the relationship you maybe enjoyed sharing the work and then the relationship ends and either party feels uncomfortable you probably wouldn't want to use the images... it's not a legal issue, it's just a morals and respect issue.... it's a shame that people have to be protected from their asshat exes...sometimes people are thoughtless, and that can be fixed, but if they're just a total knobjockey it's sad that they can't move on more positively and that the police have to get involved...
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13 October 2014 12:46
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Quote from Natural_happy_girl
If it's both a personal relationship and a photography one it's more tricky...but to be honest, my feeling is that if you'd worked with a partner to higher levels than you normally would (presuming it's not paid work), and within the context of the relationship you maybe enjoyed sharing the work and then the relationship ends and either party feels uncomfortable you probably wouldn't want to use the images... it's not a legal issue, it's just a morals and respect issue.... it's a shame that people have to be protected from their asshat exes...sometimes people are thoughtless, and that can be fixed, but if they're just a total knobjockey it's sad that they can't move on more positively and that the police have to get involved...



This is true. But I've heard of it happening the other way too - in that the model/female partner insisted that the photographer/male partner could not use any images of her after a split. ANY images - not just images that might have been beyond her normal levels. People aren't always rational on either side.


Steve Guy is off-line
13 October 2014 12:53
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I would not expect for a moment that this problem would be widespread, but I am quite certain that it will happen for some unfortunate photographers. It's not about what pictures that were taken, or what is revealed, but merely someone being able to misuse the law, in the same manner as a false rape allegation, which can put an innocent person though absolute hell for years. No model release could protect against such a false or malicious allegation. About the only hope would be for the model's port to contain images that are far more explicit, but even those may not protect if the model alleges that he time gap is relevant.

There are instances quoted in this forum of models who have willingly posed for images that aren't even particularly revealing who are then seeking to take action, usually unsuccessfully, to try and remove images from a portfolio, usually because some doombrain jealous boyfriend doesn't like that other people are looking at his property (!). It wouldn't take much for a complaint under this legislation to surface.


Tempus Fugit is off-lineSilver Member
13 October 2014 13:19
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What is a bunnyshot mentioned at the start of the thread?
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Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
13 October 2014 13:42
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Quote from pinkbuildingphotography
What is a bunnyshot mentioned at the start of the thread?



A photo of a girl's face with her holding up two forms of ID (eg. passport/driving licence), which is used to verify the model's age.  The fact she's holding up two forms of ID either side of her face is like having droopy bunny ears hence the name.

The fact a girl would do this would be in keeping with 2257 record keeping for adult material publication in the US (along with model releases being signed and preferably a printout of a news agency's front page on that day).
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Chris Dee is off-line
14 October 2014 05:37
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'Revenge porn' illegal under new UK law

I suppose if anything it reinforces the practice of getting a model release & bunny shots, even if they're not legally required.



Precisely  :-)


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14 October 2014 05:41
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Quote from Natural_happy_girl
Surely if someone tried to cry wolf about photos legitimately taken the evidence of their modelling portfolio would show that they normally pose to the levels in question?
The basis is that it's PERSONAL content in the context of a PERSONAL relationship that you wouldn't normally expect to be shared...and in that context perhaps they're changing the onus so that the partner has to prove they 're both consenting to be on pornhub or whatever.....I think that might be more where the point of argument about onus of proof is, don't think it's meant to apply to non-personal situations...how would you persuade the police that taking your clothes off for a photographer fell into the category of creating explicit material you would never expect to be shared?

I'm not sure it changes things that much....
I'm not convinced that it will make it any easier for a model to prove that someone did/didn't grab shots they agreed not to/publish where they agree not to/whatever... unless they have a written agreement...



Well put  :-)


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14 October 2014 12:26
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Quote from RedChecker
'Revenge porn' illegal under new UK law

I suppose if anything it reinforces the practice of getting a model release & bunny shots, even if they're not legally required.



I was thinking the same thing yesterday, after watching the news. Even though I have releases signed, if they've used model names rather than their own, it could still cause difficulties. But having the photo i.d would most likely save the day, as it would be obviously a modelling job.



EdT is off-line
15 October 2014 12:31
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My god guys - you should start a "daily mail" type newspaper for all the scare stories that your mind makes up.

I have never worked beyond my levels or shot anything I wouldn't be happy with my parents seeing.

Have to admit on 90% of my shoots paid/otherwise the photographer will say to me "if I upload anything your not happy with please can you let me know"
I've yet to actually message a photographer and ask him to take an image down but if I did politely ask then I would guess most would be happy to do that because they actually respect my opinion on it. If they refused then I would offer to send them back my fee for the day - if that gets refused then I would move on/not work with him or her again.

Its not happened in 7 years - but thats what I would do if it did happen.

I wouldn't go to the police or make a big deal about it - it would just draw more attention to the picture/pictures I didn't like.

I know its easy to think of most models as being manipulative cows but really I doubt many will be running to the police to make up a relationship with somebody just to get a picture removed. I might be wrong, it will happen ONCE (photographer will be found not guilty) and end up in some EdT is a naughty person ty paper and you can all say "Told you so".

Honestly don't worry about something that probably won't even effect any of you - its just creating a headache that you don't need to have.

If you respect your models and treat them well then they won't be in a hurry to send you off to jail for taking a bad picture of them.




Finally, the voice of reason.


David Hunt is off-line
15 October 2014 15:42
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This has nothing to do with paid bookings.

So, we can all relax.




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