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I wonder if a model could twist this around if she has regrets after a shoot?

Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
13 October 2014 08:32
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'Revenge porn' illegal under new UK law

I suppose if anything it reinforces the practice of getting a model release & bunny shots, even if they're not legally required.
When you are dead, you do not know that you are dead. All of your pain is felt by others. The same thing happens when you are stupid.


marlham is off-line
13 October 2014 09:59
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I guess if your model also doubles as your girlfriend/partner then there might be a few sticky outcomes if things go sour. I can think of one or two mod-phot past relationships which might have qualified. 'Hell have no fury like a woman scorned' and all that!


Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
13 October 2014 10:13
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I have a sneaky feeling you wouldn't even need to be in a relationship though to invoke this, and I wonder if it could be simply used as a method of takedown for shots they (the model) no longer want floating around the web.
When you are dead, you do not know that you are dead. All of your pain is felt by others. The same thing happens when you are stupid.


Black Lace Boudoir is off-lineSilver Member
13 October 2014 10:27
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That's what a  model release is for.


Steve Guy is off-line
13 October 2014 11:08
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I have absolutely no doubt that it can, and will be, twisted around, no relationship notwithstanding. "He agreed not to publish images of my ladybits." or "He promised the shoot wasn't for publication, but then said if he didn't get a blowjob from me he'd put them on the net." are just but two of many ways this could happen. And, of course, the 'victim' must always be believed. Proving it will be a long journey to court which may not happen, but the photographer is going to have a rough time of it, possibly including having all his gear seized, including his computer/s which will be subject to a year long 'examination'.

O brave new world, that has such people in 't!


Chrissie Red is off-line
13 October 2014 11:24
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My god guys - you should start a "daily mail" type newspaper for all the scare stories that your mind makes up.

I have never worked beyond my levels or shot anything I wouldn't be happy with my parents seeing.

Have to admit on 90% of my shoots paid/otherwise the photographer will say to me "if I upload anything your not happy with please can you let me know"
I've yet to actually message a photographer and ask him to take an image down but if I did politely ask then I would guess most would be happy to do that because they actually respect my opinion on it. If they refused then I would offer to send them back my fee for the day - if that gets refused then I would move on/not work with him or her again.

Its not happened in 7 years - but thats what I would do if it did happen.

I wouldn't go to the police or make a big deal about it - it would just draw more attention to the picture/pictures I didn't like.

I know its easy to think of most models as being manipulative cows but really I doubt many will be running to the police to make up a relationship with somebody just to get a picture removed. I might be wrong, it will happen ONCE (photographer will be found not guilty) and end up in some Chrissie_Red is a naughty person ty paper and you can all say "Told you so".

Honestly don't worry about something that probably won't even effect any of you - its just creating a headache that you don't need to have.

If you respect your models and treat them well then they won't be in a hurry to send you off to jail for taking a bad picture of them.



13 October 2014 11:39
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Quote from Chrissie_Red
My god guys - you should start a "daily mail" type newspaper for all the scare stories that your mind makes up. I have never worked beyond my levels or shot anything I wouldn't be happy with my parents seeing. Have to admit on 90% of my shoots paid/otherwise the photographer will say to me "if I upload anything your not happy with please can you let me know" I've yet to actually message a photographer and ask him to take an image down but if I did politely ask then I would guess most would be happy to do that because they actually respect my opinion on it. If they refused then I would offer to send them back my fee for the day - if that gets refused then I would move on/not work with him or her again. Its not happened in 7 years - but thats what I would do if it did happen. I wouldn't go to the police or make a big deal about it - it would just draw more attention to the picture/pictures I didn't like. I know its easy to think of most models as being manipulative cows but really I doubt many will be running to the police to make up a relationship with somebody just to get a picture removed. I might be wrong, it will happen ONCE (photographer will be found not guilty) and end up in some _Maz_ is a naughty person ty paper and you can all say "Told you so". Honestly don't worry about something that probably won't even effect any of you - its just creating a headache that you don't need to have. If you respect your models and treat them well then they won't be in a hurry to send you off to jail for taking a bad picture of them.



Pretty much sums it up! 

Rule number one: If you're not comfortable with people seeing images of you, then pose for them to begin with. 

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Stu Buckland is off-line
13 October 2014 11:41
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The way I see it, is that 'revenge porn' photos is a world apart from photography in general (even ones taken for porn mags/sites).

Since it's well established that a model release form isn't a legally binding contract, it would be a case of the facts - something people here seem to be forgetting. I have a home studio, a website, a lot of gear and portfolios all over the place. If someone accused me of 'revenge porn', the first thing that would stick in my mind is that I don't even shoot to those levels.

Secondly, you only have to see my body of work, and everything related to it, to see that what I do could never in a million years be taken for 'revenge porn'.

So people, stop banging on about model release forms, girlfriends modelling for you etc...

It's clear that they are more referring to snaps taken with phones during sex, crappy wobbly videos shot in a bedroom - also probably by a phone and so on. Proper photographers have nothing to worry about.


13 October 2014 11:50
_Maz_
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Pretty much sums it up! 

Rule number one: If you're not comfortable with people seeing images of you, then *don't* pose for them to begin with. 


Scottish Alternative Model, represented by Spirit Model Management. Just a wee bit bonkers ;) www.kasuminoir.co.uk


Natural Happy Girl is off-line
13 October 2014 12:10
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Surely if someone tried to cry wolf about photos legitimately taken the evidence of their modelling portfolio would show that they normally pose to the levels in question?
The basis is that it's PERSONAL content in the context of a PERSONAL relationship that you wouldn't normally expect to be shared...and in that context perhaps they're changing the onus so that the partner has to prove they 're both consenting to be on pornhub or whatever.....I think that might be more where the point of argument about onus of proof is, don't think it's meant to apply to non-personal situations...how would you persuade the police that taking your clothes off for a photographer fell into the category of creating explicit material you would never expect to be shared?

I'm not sure it changes things that much....
I'm not convinced that it will make it any easier for a model to prove that someone did/didn't grab shots they agreed not to/publish where they agree not to/whatever... unless they have a written agreement...
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