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Video editing advice needed....

Anthonygh is off-line
18 September 2014 13:46
anthonyh
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For the first time ever I tried video editing using my G1X and PS CC. I decided it was time.

I am finding it  a steep learning curve as most manuals assume some prior knowledge...which I don't have. However, I am making some progress...or would be, if my computer wasn't struggling.

I was wondering if there is software out there not so demanding on the computer......and are there ways I can reduce the file size of my 'shoot' before loading it into PS (or other programme)? I can't believe all these people posting on Youtube etc are using high end computers. Mine is a 2009 27" iMac and it handles still images faultlessly.

All suggestions welcomed!!!


HowardJ is off-line
18 September 2014 14:08
HowardJ
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try iMovie for starters.


redbaron is off-lineSilver Member
18 September 2014 14:17
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Video is one of those things I'm desperate to get off the ground in but never quite get around to. I do have Magix Movie Edit Pro but only because it was a lot cheaper. Still eats up power. You only have to go over to Chillblast and look at the beasts people are buying for movie editing to realise how much computing power is needed for some video applications

Could be worth a short subscription with Lynda.com as I know they had excellent tutorials on this that start from absolute beginner. I'm not sure if it is the initial video size that is the problem though or simply the power CC uses during the creation process. Once done you can save to a much lower resolution. A months trial would probably save far more in ensuring you do not spend out on the wrong things

If you have CC then you will also have media encoder. You could try using this to batch convert to a smaller video size first and see if that helps.
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Anthonygh is off-line
18 September 2014 14:18
anthonyh
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I have tried iMovie but can.t make head or tails of it as yet.....PS CC seems easier to work with. I will give it another go later....


Anthonygh is off-line
18 September 2014 14:22
anthonyh
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Quote from redbaron
Video is one of those things I'm desperate to get off the ground in but never quite get around to. I do have Magix Movie Edit Pro but only because it was a lot cheaper. Still eats up power. You only have to go over to Chillblast and look at the beasts people are buying for movie editing to realise how much computing power is needed for some video applications Could be worth a short subscription with Lynda.com as I know they had excellent tutorials on this that start from absolute beginner. I'm not sure if it is the initial video size that is the problem though or simply the power CC uses during the creation process. Once done you can save to a much lower resolution. A months trial would probably save far more in ensuring you do not spend out on the wrong things If you have CC then you will also have media encoder. You could try using this to batch convert to a smaller video size first and see if that helps.



Thats what I need I think...a low res video to play around with and learn techniques. The ten minute clip from my G1X was nearly 3GB...without any post processing which will add to the file size. Need to read the camera manual as well....I think I am recording at max quality at the moment.



David Heels is off-line
18 September 2014 16:38
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Could you not resize the footage to a more manageable low res version. (I've never done that, so don't ask me how)

But if you can, you could then do a rough cut (an Offline Edit) with the low res footage.

When happy, produce an EDL (edit decision list).

Now capture the footage again, and use the EDL to autoconform the final (Online) edit.



Although, it might be easier to buy a new Computer.

Dave


Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
18 September 2014 16:52
RedChecker
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Quote from anthonyh
Thats what I need I think...a low res video to play around with and learn techniques. The ten minute clip from my G1X was nearly 3GB...without any post processing which will add to the file size. Need to read the camera manual as well....I think I am recording at max quality at the moment.




3GB isn't much :/

Decent video editors (certainly on the PC) are hardware accelerated via the graphics card (mine is 10x faster than CPU alone and it's a RedChecker is a naughty person ty graphics card too) which can help export and overlaying effect immensely. 

Some (like Premiere IIRC, it's been years since using it) can render a small version (the rough cut as Crippen says) for editing with to speed up the editing process and when you go to the final render it uses the full-res one.

But to answer your question.... I would advise against reducing resolution & quality as artifacts and intraframes mean cutting/splicing etc. won't be as smooth and other effects such as colour smoothness & sharpness will suffer with lower bitrates.
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Paul Ottey is off-lineSilver Member
20 September 2014 02:19
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I assume when you say PS CC you are using photoshop? It is not really built for video and will be clunky. Use a dedicated video package, I use Premiere, have used Edius and Avid in the past, I haven't used it but a lot of people swear by the Sony software. Do not reduce the size of video before edit, only reduce it on export, check the bit rate of the recording in camera, you may be able to adjust it there, anything between 25 and 50 Mbps is fine for most purposes. Don't forget you are running 25 images every second so 3gb is normal. When we deliver programmes it is between 50 and 80 GB with terabytes of footage actually recorded. I am quite efficient in how I shoot but even my short videos will be 60 to 80 GB on the hard drive.
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KHV is off-line
20 September 2014 04:24
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Photoshop isnt really that good for editing and you would be better off by using Windows Movie Maker although its far from perfect.

I suggest you look at dowloading the trial of Adobe Premier Pro CC but if you are having problems handling footage you need to get more RAM.

Im a big user of Prem Pro & have been using it for years, and combined with After Effects & Speedgrade it' a top notch piece of Pro software.





HowardJ is off-line
20 September 2014 04:40
HowardJ
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As I said you're on a Mac so start with a basic package such as iMovie. I'm sure you'll find tutorial videos for it on YouTube and lots of help on Mac forums.



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