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Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
17 September 2014 06:49
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WMDs may seem a waste of money but they are an effective symbol of power and allow us to sit at the table with the big boys (namely the US, Russia and China), without them we wouldn't get a look in and our political influence around the world would be greatly diminished.

And the NHS will be as safe as the rest of the UK, although agreed it is becoming ever-increasingly underfunded although one could argue it's having the life sapped out of it by too much demand placed upon it that goes way beyond its scope on its inception.
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17 September 2014 06:50
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Therer are pretty detailed answers to all of these if you looked hard enough. 




When are all the published costings for the promises made in the White Paper or for all the other goodies Salmond has promsied?

He's been very verbose about his vision for Scotland and independence but extremely silent on how the Scots are going to pay for it all!

I have no axe to grind either way and wish the Scots the very best whichever way they vote but at the very least, you'd have thought Salmond would have had all the answers to such questions as currency union, EU membership, social policy funding etc etc sorted BEFORE the referendum and not leave it to a case of 'it'll be alright on the night'!  

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Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
17 September 2014 06:52
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I agree totally with Iain T on this. As an outsider looking in I think that every time Westminster members open their mouths they encourage the yes vote.



They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.  At least by making an effort people can't accuse them of not doing so.

Also the fact that it's the Tories holding power while dragging the UK out of a recession is far from being an ideal scenario.  If this were done over five years ago when things were better financially and Labour were still in power, I would imagine the 'no' campaign would have had a much easier ride.
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17 September 2014 06:55
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WMDs may seem a waste of money but they are an effective symbol of power and allow us to sit at the table with the big boys (namely the US, Russia and China), without them we wouldn't get a look in and our political influence around the world would be greatly diminished. And the NHS will be as safe as the rest of the UK, although agreed it is becoming ever-increasingly underfunded although one could argue it's having the life sapped out of it by too much demand placed upon it that goes way beyond its scope on its inception.



I don't really care about things like "Sitting at the big table with the big boys", al that does is suck up our resources and drag us into wars we shouldn't be in.


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17 September 2014 06:56
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When are all the published costings for the promises made in the White Paper or for all the other goodies Salmond has promsied?

He's been very verbose about his vision for Scotland and independence but extremely silent on how the Scots are going to pay for it all!

I have no axe to grind either way and wish the Scots the very best whichever way they vote but at the very least, you'd have thought Salmond would have had all the answers to such questions as currency union, EU membership, social policy funding etc etc sorted BEFORE the referendum and not leave it to a case of 'it'll be alright on the night'!  




Both the CU and EU membership could have been settled long ago with the co-operation of the UK government.



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17 September 2014 07:00
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Expanding on the WMDs point.... it also provides a great many highly skilled jobs, from the shipyard workers that build the fleet, the technicians that fit them out and the designers and scientists who design/develop them and even all of the auxhillary services around those centres, be it supermarkets, hospitals and other ammenities for the staff. These are all jobs for highly skilled British workers keeping employment and skills here rather than sourcing it from overseas. A great deal of this expertise is (I believe) Scottish (certainly with the shipyards) and just yesterday there was a program on TV saying that if Scotland splits, the shipyards in Scotland may have no choice but to close as a great deal of their work is to build ships for the Royal Navy which would likely end up being built in England in the future as no British warship has been built outside of the union (which obviously Scotland would end up being with independence).
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17 September 2014 07:03
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I don't think either side was prepared for a possible yes vote and both are now in deep in trouble with the reality of it all. The best thing that could happen is to put of the voting day for another few months and have a cooling off period to allow full realistic discussions about the future. Even when the vote goes ahead there should be a statutory cooling off period as you get in most personal contracts.


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17 September 2014 07:05
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Expanding on the WMDs point.... it also provides a great many highly skilled jobs, from the shipyard workers that build the fleet, the technicians that fit them out and the designers and scientists who design/develop them and even all of the auxhillary services around those centres, be it supermarkets, hospitals and other ammenities for the staff. These are all jobs for highly skilled British workers keeping employment and skills here rather than sourcing it from overseas. A great deal of this expertise is (I believe) Scottish (certainly with the shipyards) and just yesterday there was a program on TV saying that if Scotland splits, the shipyards in Scotland may have no choice but to close as a great deal of their work is to build ships for the Royal Navy which would likely end up being built in England in the future as no British warship has been built outside of the union (which obviously Scotland would end up being with independence).



At the moment there is nowhere else in the UK to build the new generation of frigates without greatly increasing the costs, so the chances are they will still be built on the Clyde.

We will also need a Scottish Navy.   This Navy will be based at faslane after Trident is relocated so teh jobs will remain, in fact local jobs will increase as there are only 520 local jobs dependent on Trident at the moment.



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17 September 2014 07:06
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I don't think either side was prepared for a possible yes vote and both are now in deep in trouble with the reality of it all. The best thing that could happen is to put of the voting day for another few months and have a cooling off period to allow full realistic discussions about the future. Even when the vote goes ahead there should be a statutory cooling off period as you get in most personal contracts.



Nonsens, the campaign ahs been going on for 2 years, would you be saying that if No was still running away with it?



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17 September 2014 07:14
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Nonsens, the campaign ahs been going on for 2 years, would you be saying that if No was still running away with it?






My comments are based on the performance of the two camps at this late stage and the lack of homework by both parties which appears to be the case not the rights or wrongs of the divorce.



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