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25 September 2014 09:15
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Seems like the SNP and YES supporters only support democracy if it favours their views and will keep lobbying for further referendums until they get the result they want which is quite frankly, an insult to those majority voters who don't want independence for Scotland.
I'll wager if the referendum had reverse voting results whereby the YES campaigners won by the same margin, the SNP wouldn't give the NO campaigners any thought for any further referendums whatsoever!

What you, the YES voters, the SNP  and Salmond are supporting by not accepting the results of the referendum is an insult to the word democracy so please don't insult other people's views just because they don't agree with your agenda!






Tony, I totally accept the results of the referendum.

That doesn't mean we just give up our beliefs, we will continue campaigning and hopefully we will eventually persuade enough people to support us.   That's the way democracy works.



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25 September 2014 09:45
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Tony, I totally accept the results of the referendum.

That doesn't mean we just give up our beliefs, we will continue campaigning and hopefully we will eventually persuade enough people to support us.   That's the way democracy works.




I'm certainly not against reasoned persuasion with supporting evidence to back up beliefs but you've already had a fully blown referendum with several years in which to prepare your case and the result was that the majority weren't in favour of independence - so what happens if the next referendum again turns up a vote for staying in the Union, do you simply keep having yet more referendums until one comes up with the Nationalists just scraping over the line.... because that's the way it seems to be heading?





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25 September 2014 09:57
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I'll wager if the referendum had reverse voting results whereby the YES campaigners won by the same margin, the SNP wouldn't give the NO campaigners any thought for any further referendums whatsoever!




Which is the exact point that I was making in my post.



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25 September 2014 09:59
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I'm certainly not against reasoned persuasion with supporting evidence to back up beliefs but you've already had a fully blown referendum with several years in which to prepare your case and the result was that the majority weren't in favour of independence - so what happens if the next referendum again turns up a vote for staying in the Union, do you simply keep having yet more referendums until one comes up with the Nationalists just scraping over the line.... because that's the way it seems to be heading?








We can't just keep having referendums without a mandate to do so.  If the SNP put it in their manifesto then people can vote against them.  But if people vote for them then the mandate exists.  There are a couple of scenarios right now that justify another referendum

1. If the promised new powers don't come.

2. If an in/out EU takes us out the EU and Scotland votes overwelmngly to stay in the EU.



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25 September 2014 10:05
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As Scotland remains part of the UK, how would they get a separate voice on whether they want to be in the E.U? As part of the UK, they would surely have to follow what the majority of the UK vote for?

As has been said, they had their referendum, the majority voted to remain in the UK..end of story I assumed.


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25 September 2014 11:02
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As has been said, they had their referendum, the majority voted to remain in the UK..end of story I assumed.



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25 September 2014 11:10
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LOL
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25 September 2014 11:48
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Lol..yep..that seems about right.


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25 September 2014 12:22
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It was always best out of 3 wasn't it? The truly disgusting bit of Salmond's post event performances have been the total negation of any language of reconciliation or acceptance of the decision. Salmond's rhetoric, prior to the result was "for a generation" or a " lifetime" but that was, of course, only if the result was in his favour, subsequently, the result, in Salmond's term is "for now".
The best, for Scotland's and the rest of us is for Salmond and his arrogance to be ignored henceforth.


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26 September 2014 15:53
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This thread is hilarious on so many different levels - Nice one guys



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