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Paul Hodson is off-line
26 July 2014 13:18
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b........ut Jesus was born as a result of Virginal Conception. 



As opposed to Vaginal conception?

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26 July 2014 13:49
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The term 'Immaculate' in reference to Mary is the theological concept that Mary herself, was born without 'Original Sin' . The Virgin Birth is the theological concept that Mary conceived Christ while she remained a biological virgin.


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26 July 2014 15:34
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The term 'Immaculate' in reference to Mary is the theological concept that Mary herself, was born without 'Original Sin' . The Virgin Birth is the theological concept that Mary conceived Christ while she remained a biological virgin.



That's correct.



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27 July 2014 04:48
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The term 'Immaculate' in reference to Mary is the theological concept that Mary herself, was born without 'Original Sin' . The Virgin Birth is the theological concept that Mary conceived Christ while she remained a biological virgin.



This is what I'm not understanding. How was Mary born without 'Original Sin"? How did she get some sort of dispensation? Did God give her parents some sort of special permission? I just can't understand this.


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27 July 2014 05:08
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This is what I'm not understanding. How was Mary born without 'Original Sin"? How did she get some sort of dispensation? Did God give her parents some sort of special permission? I just can't understand this.



You're not meant to understand it... you're meant to accept it as truth and not question the teachings!

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28 July 2014 13:02
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

The New Testament of the Bible; a book inspired by God and presumably the ultimate authoritative guide on the way Christians ought to be living their lives, remains unequivocal as to the role of women within the congregation.
The apostle Paul makes it clear in his letter to the Corinthians (1 Cor 14: 33-35) that there is no role for women to lead in worship, something that would be fundamental to the role of a bishop.

Saint Paul is not some lightweight, minor biblical figure. His writings, letters and guidelines are at the heart of Christian doctrine and form the basis of the rules regarded as essential towards attaining salvation.
If you are not a Christian, you are free to ignore what is written, but to hold a book up as sacred and then scrap sections that don’t sit comfortably with the liberal values of a secular society is surely a betrayal of that faith.


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28 July 2014 13:51
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

The New Testament of the Bible; a book inspired by God and presumably the ultimate authoritative guide on the way Christians ought to be living their lives, remains unequivocal as to the role of women within the congregation.
The apostle Paul makes it clear in his letter to the Corinthians (1 Cor 14: 33-35) that there is no role for women to lead in worship, something that would be fundamental to the role of a bishop.

Saint Paul is not some lightweight, minor biblical figure. His writings, letters and guidelines are at the heart of Christian doctrine and form the basis of the rules regarded as essential towards attaining salvation.
If you are not a Christian, you are free to ignore what is written, but to hold a book up as sacred and then scrap sections that don’t sit comfortably with the liberal values of a secular society is surely a betrayal of that faith.




But haven't they boing doing it for a long time, it's nothing new. Doesn't it say in Exodus that you can sell your daughter into slavery, but not to a foreigner? I seem to remember that working, or even lighting a fire on the sabbath was to be punished by death.

This cherry picking the bits to suit your ends has been going on since the establishment of the church.


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29 July 2014 04:42
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The apostle Paul makes it clear in his letter to the Corinthians (1 Cor 14: 33-35) that there is no role for women to lead in worship, something that would be fundamental to the role of a bishop.



Wasn't he gay?
Not exactly unbiased.

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2004/04/Was-The-Apostle-Paul-Gay.aspx
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29 July 2014 09:18
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Hang on Hugh, just because someone is gay, that doesn't necessary make them misogynistic. As all the boys in the Aberystwyth Molly House, assure me you already know.

Although as we are talking about a fictional character, rather than an historical one, why should we give a monkey's chuff, if he was a bit of a whoopsie? All loving's good loving, right?

Dave


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29 July 2014 14:10
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I think we need to distinguish speculative trash trawled from the internet from the documented evidence already corroborated by leading archaeologists and historians.

Paul, whether you reject his authority as divine or not, remains a recognised historical figure. The places he visited were real, and as a Roman citizen, there is nothing fairytale about his role in the development of the early Christian Church or the governors, rulers and emperors documented in his account.

As for his sexuality, it would be difficult to think of anyone more vehemently opposed to homosexuality or adultery, being steeped in the traditions of Mosaic Law as Paul undoubtedly was.
This is why so many of the modern, liberal thinkers dismiss him as homophobic; a typically modern concept that would have meant absolutely nothing to the patriarchal society he was part of back in the first century.

Labelling the apostle Paul as gay is a bit like calling Hitler a Zionist... or if you prefer an IMMACULATE MISCONCEPTION!



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