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A question for Mac owners regarding old/obsolete peripherals...

Nick Skinner is off-line
02 June 2014 14:45
snapper47
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United Kingdom
West Sussex
Horsham

My Epson Perfection scanner stopped working, tried the lid to base lead without success and, some time later visited Epson's web site to find service centre and saw a note about Mac OS Mavericks, and new software download! Now it works again. However my current MacBook Pro is not as good for me as the previous model for two reasons. You can not change batteries and software is no longer available on dvd! When I was constantly travelling to remote places on assignment these two factors would have been killers! Now I see the latest MacBook Pro's have no dvd/cd drawer, yes you can buy one and plug it in but from my personal perspective, some aspects are moving backwards. On a visit to a Mac Store I raised these issues. The very helpful guy said telephone support will solve any software issues while travelling! "From a telephone box in Sierra Leone" I asked? He replied "good point." He also said the battery could be replaced if necessary but yes, it would invalidate the warranty.The change in chips to Intel a few years back only caused me loss of a few very old games! As a piece of kit, its been almost flawless, an internal lead needed replacing earlier this year after 4 years very hard use, but the Mac Store identified and replaced the same day. As a piece of kit its fine, its reliable, works well as I am sure many others do, I really don't care much who made what, as long as it does what it says on the tin I'm happy.


Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
03 June 2014 01:51
RedChecker
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RedChecker
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Buckinghamshire
Stoke Mandeville

It's all a bit of a conundrum... in the next year or two I envisage I'll want a new machine which I estimate will be in the region of £2-3k just for the machine. While it's sounding promising though that a Mac would make these older devices work, the cost differential is difficult to justify especially for a desktop machine where the Mac would cost around double for a similar-ish spec for my needs and that extra cost would buy all new replacement peripherals again (none of them are astronomically expensive or specialised but as I said, I hate waste and it seems a shame to chuck them out when there's the potential for them to be used somehow).

If I go for a laptop the cost differential isn't so great (the Lenovo I want is around the same cost of the equivalent Macbook Pro) but I've always said I never want to go down the Mac route unless I absolutely have to (and after finally using Windows 8 at work this is looking more likely, it's utterly horrid).
When you are dead, you do not know that you are dead. All of your pain is felt by others. The same thing happens when you are stupid.


03 June 2014 02:38
Nick_Edinburgh
Photographer


It's certainly not a simple comparison, because it's usually apples vs pears.

In fact just yesterday I bought a cheap pc box to run a Linux OS with almost invariably free programs on it, and for that need that solution was far cheaper than any available Mac.

On the other hand, at the high end, I've seen the new Mac Pro described as you paying for a couple of graphics cards and the rest of the hardware is thrown in free. In other words, it's a fabulous bargain compared to building a PC of the same spec.

In the mid market, a Mac often looks comparatively pricy, until you factor in all the other stuff you have to pay for on top with PCs, which includes OS upgrades and pre-installed programs, which makes it much more finely balanced. Not to mention the savings of being virus-free.

But in the end for me it's always been about usability. I hate having to remember code, and I love the fact that I rarely have to figure out how to make anything work. And the time saving alone is worth a fortune to me.

I bought my first Mac back in the early 90s, long before the hate wars began, and have always reckoned it's a matter of horses for courses. But I'd suggest considering the whole lifetime cost for your own usage pattern at least, rather than just the ticket price.


Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
03 June 2014 02:51
RedChecker
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RedChecker
Location
United Kingdom
Buckinghamshire
Stoke Mandeville

The problem with the Mac Pro (desktop), although it does have some wonderful hardware built-in with the video cards, I don't need them as I'm not generally going to be editing the likes of 4K video with multiple effects etc. but would be forced to buy them anyway (it's only going to be a Photoshop machine so even modest speed is enough but I need lots of memory).

At least with a PC I can more easily tune my spending on how I want the machine to perform (eg. lots more memory & storage vs raw speed).

There's also other hardware & software I'd have to consider. At least with a PC my copies of Photoshop, Vegas & other office software, along with all the plugins I've bought would still work, as well as other current hardware that's still OK with Win 8. Going the Mac route would be effectively starting from scratch again and ultimately would be too expensive but I'm keeping my options open (and I'm an amateur who only shoots for a hobby so usage speed/costs don't really factor and I've also got no outward image to preserve which seems to be very important to a lot of photographic pros who insist Macs are the ONLY machine you should ever use).
When you are dead, you do not know that you are dead. All of your pain is felt by others. The same thing happens when you are stupid.


Dave Beasley is online
03 June 2014 03:10
eosfan
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eosfan
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Surrey
Guildford

Outward image is of no interest to me but the reason I went down the Mac route was simply that they work - rarely (if ever) suffer from viruses, rarely (if ever) crash, OS upgrades are easy to install, peripherals are generally the same as you would buy for a Windows pc so no additional cost there.

I'm not a Mac addict but quite simply - they work.

Dave


Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
03 June 2014 03:14
RedChecker
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RedChecker
Location
United Kingdom
Buckinghamshire
Stoke Mandeville

But therein lies another quandry... my PCs have always just 'worked' (until they understandably fail after several years of daily use). It's only this issue with peripherals (and the fact I hate Windows 8 ) that's making me reconsider, especially as the PC's more of a work machine nowadays as I rarely use it for games.
When you are dead, you do not know that you are dead. All of your pain is felt by others. The same thing happens when you are stupid.


RGBphoto is off-lineSilver Member
03 June 2014 03:18
magpie1
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Location
United Kingdom
Tyne and Wear
Newcastle

I'm still using a 15 year old Mac G4 running CS2 as the output machine to my Epson 3880. The power supply 'went' took it to the Mac shop and the kids looked at this 'relic' with awe. Confirmed dead power supply but nothing they could do. However friend of mine reminded me about Macupgrades company, they fixed it in a few days. So well worth contacting them for issues about old(er) Macs.



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