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Global warming caused by human beings - true or false ?

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03 April 2014 03:53
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As someone who's been following the science since the 1970s, I'm dismayed and sickened by the ignorance and arrogance of anyone non-scientific (with a relevant specialism) who thinks they can give an opinion on this imminently species-threatening crisis. It also makes me angry, because it's my grandchildren, and possibly children, who will die miserably.



And yes. I'm serious.




http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg2/ (index)

http://ipcc-wg2.gov/AR5/images/uploads/IPCC_WG2AR5_SPM_Approved.pdf

People who have not read the actual report and yet think they have an 'opinion' are actually doing great damage as politicians and industrialists think they have a support base for doing nothing.




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03 April 2014 03:59
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Quote from Nick_Edinburgh
As someone who's been following the science since the 1970s, I'm dismayed and sickened by the ignorance and arrogance of anyone non-scientific (with a relevant specialism) who thinks they can give an opinion on this imminently species-threatening crisis. It also makes me angry, because it's my grandchildren, and possibly children, who will die miserably.



And yes. I'm serious.



And I understand your concern - which to some extent I share though if the potential for disaster is as great as you say I fear no action taken will deal with it. However, in view of the relatively tiny impact of the UK compared with developing economies such as China I do have concerns that the steps we are taking will have such a minimal effect that we should retain a sense of proportion in deciding the course of action.

However, having expressed this on page 1 that gave Dr Jiv the opportunity to suggest appropriating the profits of financial advisers to deal with the climate problem - and this idiocy ensured the rest of the thread ensued!


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04 April 2014 10:38
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Who is paying for all these experts , prove it and you have a job for life , at supersonic money , disprove it and who needs you , temp job .


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04 April 2014 18:14
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And I understand your concern - which to some extent I share though if the potential for disaster is as great as you say I fear no action taken will deal with it. However, in view of the relatively tiny impact of the UK compared with developing economies such as China I do have concerns that the steps we are taking will have such a minimal effect that we should retain a sense of proportion in deciding the course of action. However, having expressed this on page 1 that gave Dr Jiv the opportunity to suggest appropriating the profits of financial advisers to deal with the climate problem - and this idiocy ensured the rest of the thread ensued!




Nahh punitive taxation for spivs is social justice in action 

Your other point lacks any vision or purpose (again) - What incentives do we give the likes of China, if we as the developed world don't ourselves set any example? How could we lecture them? What point our precious economies, where some of us live on the likes of the Somerset Levels? Just how will your economy help polar bears with no ice to stand on?

...You sound just like any other 'banker' who finds the whole environmental agenda, to be an enormous inconvenience to your shorterm profit. I can't decide if you lack spirit or if you connive with the 'do nothing untill its a disaster' conservatism of the 'City of London' - However, the City can be quite energetic when there is a new trough to 'pig-out' - Fracking anyone?! sad
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05 April 2014 11:26
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Quote from jivago
Nahh punitive taxation for spivs is social justice in action 

Your other point lacks any vision or purpose (again) - What incentives do we give the likes of China, if we as the developed world don't ourselves set any example? How could we lecture them?



If you were not so stupid - you could actually be quite funny.

Categorising all financial advisers as "spivs" is beneath comtempt - though I could manage some for you if I make an effort.

Setting an example to China?  Lecturing them?  Bugger me - that'll show them!  surprise  I can just see them doing without electricity if we do that!
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05 April 2014 12:11
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If you were not so stupid - you could actually be quite funny.

Categorising all financial advisers as "spivs" is beneath comtempt - though I could manage some for you if I make an effort.

Setting an example to China?  Lecturing them?  Bugger me - that'll show them!  surprise  I can just see them doing without electricity if we do that!



Oh dear - A lot of daylight between your head and the point.

Byeeeeee!

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05 April 2014 12:17
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Quote from jivago
Oh dear - A lot of daylight between your head and the point.

Byeeeeee!




It's always easy to see when you have no answer to a sensible point. Nothing changes does it?

What percentage of financial advisers are "spivs"? Evidence please.

Provide some examples of China making major changes - not for their own benefit - but in response to being lectured.
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05 April 2014 13:16
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I think you are all missing the point , all of the global warming theories are based on statistics , when I was at colledge , back in the time of the roman ocupation , my maths lecturer had a saying , there are lies , dammed lies and statistics . You can prove anything you want wth statistics , manipulation is the name of the game .


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05 April 2014 13:47
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I have an Hons Degree in Geology/Geophysics so I suppose I have just a little knowledge of the subject of GW or as it's now referred to as Climate Change.




With your Hons Degree in Geology/Geophysics you must obviously know so much more than the 95% of scientists who believe in man made climate change. I will bow down to your obviously superior intelect.


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05 April 2014 13:49
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Quote from jivago Oh dear - A lot of daylight between your head and the point. Byeeeeee!

It's always easy to see when you have no answer to a sensible point. Nothing changes does it? What percentage of financial advisers are "spivs"? Evidence please. Provide some examples of China making major changes - not for their own benefit - but in response to being lectured.






http://www.greenpeace.org/eastasia/news/blog/chinese-action-on-climate-change-welcome-but-/blog/46906/
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