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Paul Hodson is off-line
22 March 2014 14:12
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And there I was thinking that the media are controlled by the rich and powerful and their friends like Murdoch. Or are you classing the BBC as left wing? I would say that the BBC try to be balanced. Or are you classing the Daily Mail as left wing?! But no point in arguing, because I will get nowhere with the right wing headbangers on Purestorm.



Well if you feel the Guardian, Mirror and Independent are right wing - and that the BBC succeeds in its quest to be neutral...............

Helen Boaden, the BBC’s former director of news, who is now the head of radio has recently admitted that in the past the culture at the corporation meant that staff had failed to take campaign groups such as Migrationwatch seriously and has a "deep liberal bias" (i.e. left wing)

Even the Sun backed Blair in 97 - and the FT backed labour in previous elections.

I was not talking about the Daily Mail which I accept is a comic.  The Telegraph is, I agree, on the right though far from being an unreserved supporter of the Conservatives, any more than I am. 

But arguing with someone who dismisses those with a differing opinion as "head bangers" will of course be ultimately fruitless.

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Salacious Art is off-line
22 March 2014 15:11
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Yes...What is it about socialists that they can’t engage in any form of political debate without becoming personal?
All modern life, not least media presentation, is governed by a rigid adherence to the politically correct, and the invasive socialist ideology that underpins it.
What the Americans refer to as “creeping socialism” has permeated EVERY aspect of British life to the point where many now accept it as normal. Nothing illustrates the point better than immigration, which instead of just being a political matter for voters to decide has become instead a contentious MORAL one.
In other words a climate has been fostered (through socialist conditioning) in which members of the public with legitimate concerns about immigration are frightened to express them in case they are labelled “racist”. We have all heard the phrase...”I’m not racist... but!” Essentially an apology for having an opinion that does not conform to the socialist held view that anyone to the political right of Tony Benn has to be a lederhosen wearing, neo-Nazi thug!


Kevin W is off-lineSilver Member
22 March 2014 15:34
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I have met many people with left-wing views who also hold views that many would consider as "politically incorrect". I have also met some very staunch Tory voters, who are very politically correct.

So to see the rise of political correctness as some kind of "creeping socialism" is IMHO, very misguided.

I probably agree with you on something. In my opinion, political correctness has become totally out of control; but then who would like to go back to say the 1970s, where you only have to look at some (not all) comedy TV programs, to see that there was some rather offensive material being watched by millions- with racist and homeophobic stereotypes. Women portrayed as purely sex objects etc... Maybe you would like to go back to this?

I'm not a sociologist. Mabe they could tell you why being PC is so important these days, but I don't think it is anything to do with creeping socialism.

It is because you hold extreme views like this that I put you in the "headbanger" category and make me realise that arguing here is a complete waste of time.
As in life, so in a game of hazard, skill will make something of the worst of throws.


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22 March 2014 16:12
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Women portrayed as purely sex objects etc... Maybe you would like to go back to this? 



Phew - thank God you don't get any of that attitude here!

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Kevin W is off-lineSilver Member
22 March 2014 16:18
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Who are these "socialists" you have such contempt for? How many of them are there- and what influence, if any, do they have on this country- and the way it is run?

I assume you would regard the recently departed Tony Benn and Bob Crow as socialists, but does it also include anybody who votes Labour? Would you regard Tony Blair as a "socialist"? And if not, when did Britain last have a "socialist" government? When Attlee was PM?

Yet you say "creeping socialism has permeated EVERY aspect of British life."

I am sure no current Tory MP would come out with some of the politically incorrect comments that were acceptable and commonly used in the 1970s. If they did, they would get into serious trouble. So does this mean that all current Tory MPs have been infected by "creeping socialism". I think not!
As in life, so in a game of hazard, skill will make something of the worst of throws.


Kevin W is off-lineSilver Member
22 March 2014 16:20
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Phew - thank God you don't get any of that attitude here!




No none of that on Purestorm! Totally politically correct!

As in life, so in a game of hazard, skill will make something of the worst of throws.


Kevin W is off-lineSilver Member
22 March 2014 16:32
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People often write in the right wing press about "polical correctness gone mad". But there is an enormous amount of internet content that is far from politically correct, that would not have been allowed by law in anybody's home in the UK in the 1970s. So maybe the PC thought police have not taken over?

What about the current obsession with health and safety. Is that also "creeping socialism" in action?

As in life, so in a game of hazard, skill will make something of the worst of throws.


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22 March 2014 23:15
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The problem with left wingers is that they are great at stirring up hatred of all that is not left with their bile-filled sound bites and anti-right tripe but whenever a capitalist such as myself puts up real world arguments for cuts and/or higher taxes to cover the costs of unsustainable left wing policies and equally unsustainable borrowing to fund them, they just disappear without trace, never offering any reasoned debate or financial arguments on how these policies should be funded.






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23 March 2014 04:43
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Socialism doesn't sit comfortably with individual success, therein lies it's weakness. However, uncontrolled Capitalism has always lead to excess profit, therein lies IT'S weakness. There never seems to be a balance between the two. Whatever political party is in power, I believe this country will spiral downwards until it finds it's natural economic level, and I fear it has a way to go yet.
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23 March 2014 06:40
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Quote from Jackass
Socialism doesn't sit comfortably with individual success, therein lies it's weakness. However, uncontrolled Capitalism has always lead to excess profit, therein lies IT'S weakness. There never seems to be a balance between the two. Whatever political party is in power, I believe this country will spiral downwards until it finds it's natural economic level, and I fear it has a way to go yet.



Well we do have a balance of sorts as we certainly do not have - or want - uncontrolled capitalism. Obviously one can argue about whether the balance is right - as we do.

But as said in other posts - we never get a coherent argument from the left about what they want - or more importantly how it would work.

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