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Can I control image usage from TFCD shoots?

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12 February 2014 10:52
shyandkinky88
Model


I've started doing some modelling because I get a buzz out of showing off and seeing the amazing results after working with a cool photographer. I don't want this to be a job, full or part-time, and wouldn't want to stand in the way of the girls on here who clearly are carving a successful career from modelling.

I want to try everything, from portrait and fashion to erotic and other risqué style stuff. The problem is, it seems there is no way to limit usage of the photos post shoot. Obviously, portfolios and self promotion is fine, that's the idea with TFCD shoots, but how do I ensure sets of images are not sold, published or posted on adult sites or hosting sites?

Any advice greatly appreciated ... Ellora (my real name) x




Chrissie Red is off-line
12 February 2014 11:06
Chrissie_Red
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Chrissie_Red
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United Kingdom
Tayside
Perthshire

I think the only way to limit where the images are posted is if you pay for the photographer to take the images for you.
That way the only person who has the images is you. - although even that isn't foolproof - unless you supply the memory card and take it off the photographer at the end of the shoot.

Posting on portfolios etc can lead to images being posted elsewhere, just this week a website/forum was discovered which is pretty much a dirty little cave for people to post images ripped from models pages/pay to view sites etc for others to discuss or have a w@nk over. So you may be able to get some places to take images down but you can't control the other little cesspits that populate the internet.

I say unless you wouldn't mind all your family and friends/future children seeing the images then just don't pose for them - honestly. I have never been ashamed of any shoots I have done however some of the forums I have popped up on and the commentary by those who have posted links to my work has made me sick in the past.


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12 February 2014 11:09
photostore
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photostore
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Fife
fife based, but Scotland wide

if you want assurance it wont be sold, posted etc now or in the future the only way is don't shoot anything your not happy to have seen anywhere, a decent written agreement could limit what the photographer/you can/can't use the shots for, but once they are on tinternet it has been known for shots to be stolen and end up absolutely anywhere and hosted in countries where you have little chance of doing anything about it.

So, not sure ? then don't shoot it
lets get shootin


RGBphoto is off-lineSilver Member
12 February 2014 13:14
magpie1
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Tyne and Wear
Newcastle

Paying a photographer for images, is, of itself, no way to restrict the usage of the images, the photographer, author still holds copyright. You would have to have a legally binding contract drawn up and agreed by both parties. Best advice, as has been said if you are uncertain, don't do it!


Chrissie Red is off-line
12 February 2014 13:35
Chrissie_Red
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Chrissie_Red
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United Kingdom
Tayside
Perthshire

Quote from magpie1
Paying a photographer for images, is, of itself, no way to restrict the usage of the images, the photographer, author still holds copyright. You would have to have a legally binding contract drawn up and agreed by both parties. Best advice, as has been said if you are uncertain, don't do it!



I'm pretty sure though if she were to apprach a decent photographer and specifically state to him "I don't want these online, or you using them" then they would say "thats cool whatever". I have worked with a vew bodoir photographers in the past, they regurlarly use models to advertise their business and would only use a past client with express permission to do so. Also lets face it the photographer probably already has better images than those which would be shot at a client session anyway.

It would be terribly bad for a business to use images which the client wanted private, it would effect future bookings because nobody would trust the photographer (and rightly so if he/she posted images from a private session). So I do think if the OP goes to somebody who has a strong reputation and good images then she would be safe in the knowledge that the images wouldn't end up all over the internet but if worst came to the worst then she could quite easily destroy photographers business by making other people aware of his/her practices. Thats what I would do if I paid for a private session with a photographer and they released images or sold them to porn sites. Anyone who would do that in my eyes don't deserve to have the trust of clients.


RGBphoto is off-lineSilver Member
12 February 2014 14:24
magpie1
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Tyne and Wear
Newcastle

I completely agree with your principles Chrissie, and one would hope that the majority of photographers approached could be trusted, but there have been a number of what one might call ' well known' photographers who have subsequently been found to be less than honourable, which is totally unacceptable, if a trustworthy photographer can provide what's wanted great, research and recommendations crucial!


Simon Young is off-lineSilver Member
12 February 2014 15:20
Allinthemind
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Allinthemind
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Gloucestershire


Quote from magpie1
Paying a photographer for images, is, of itself, no way to restrict the usage of the images, the photographer, author still holds copyright. You would have to have a legally binding contract drawn up and agreed by both parties. Best advice, as has been said if you are uncertain, don't do it!




If it's a private commission, then the commissioner has an expectation of privacy, ie. no publication. Unless agreed otherwise. Copyright is owned by the photographer typically but this does not allow publication by default.
In the "Information Age", continued ignorance must be a choice motivated initially through inherited beliefs.


Bryony Edwards is off-lineSilver Member
12 February 2014 15:43
bryonyphotography
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Derbyshire
Mansfield

You would have to get the photographer to sign a copyright release, basically signing the images over to you- this still doesn't actually mean they won't use them, it just means that they are in breach of copyright if they do.

I think you would struggle to get a photographer to shoot tf under that premise though.



12 February 2014 17:42
immortaleye
Studio


The only certain way is to never pose for images you would not want anyone to see.

As pointed out there is a clause in the copyright law bestowing a 'moral right to privacy' in certain situations but this would not apply in a TFP shoot. Even studios generally have a clause allowing us to use images for our promotional purposes.NHS Choices website

We have done implied and higher sessions with models not sure if they want to go that far but at the end of the day they only have our word that we will not use those images if they decide it is not for them. Even if you have a photographer sign a 'contract' stating those images will only be used in certain situations how do you enforce it? Engaging a solicitor quickly escalates in terms of costs and even if you win it is already too late. Indeed the action may well generate far more publicity for those images than a brief appearance on some dodgy site.
Immortaleye photography studio is available for hire in Aylesbury Bucks.


13 February 2014 06:59
shyandkinky88
Model


Thank you everyone for the response, though the point was missed. I get that some pics maybe circulated, what I am worried about is, for example, a set of pictures ie. from clothed to nude, being sold to an adult website.

I have spoken to a couple of photographers who seem set on achieving a set sequence of photos (dressed, lingerie, topless through to nude) rather than working on achieving one or two amazing pictures. Maybe this makes more sense as to my concerns.



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