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Don is off-line
07 January 2014 07:35
DonMacKay
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Keighley

Alledgedly, another photographer has been a victim of police misconduct....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-25634173 


Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
07 January 2014 07:45
RedChecker
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Buckinghamshire
Stoke Mandeville

It would be nice if for once, one of these instances involved typical photography in the street such as taking photos of normal people, buildings or landscapes that a holiday maker may take.

I get the impression many of these occurances with heavy-handed police seem to happen around sensitive locations or events. This one was near a fatal car crash and another recent one involved photographing police officers in Northern Ireland IIRC, both someone sensitive and as a result my sympathy with the photographers involved is somewhat lacking.
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Paul Hodson is off-line
07 January 2014 08:01
mph
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mph
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Crewe

Quote from RedChecker
It would be nice if for once, one of these instances involved typical photography in the street such as taking photos of normal people, buildings or landscapes that a holiday maker may take. I get the impression many of these occurances with heavy-handed police seem to happen around sensitive locations or events. This one was near a fatal car crash and another recent one involved photographing police officers in Northern Ireland IIRC, both someone sensitive and as a result my sympathy with the photographers involved is somewhat lacking.


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We don't know what happened in this case - but if - and I stress if - the cop thought he was taking photographs of an injured or dead victim I might have more than a little sympathy with his attitude.

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Peter Hague is off-line
07 January 2014 08:06
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+1

We don't know what happened in this case - but if - and I stress if - the cop thought he was taking photographs of an injured or dead victim I might have more than a little sympathy with his attitude.




Why? As distasteful as some may find it, taking pictures of an accident scene, the dead and injured, is legal to do, and to be threatened with physical violence by a police officer is wholly wrong. His job is to uphold the laws enacted by parliament, not invent and enforce rules he's created on the spot.
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Neil Anderson is off-line
07 January 2014 08:39
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The story seems to be a) that a member of the public was apparently sworn at by a policeman.
b) the member of the public videoed part of the exchange
c) the member of the public 'had been taking photographs of a road in Churchdown'

There is no particular reason from the report to think that the apparent reaction to the man was anything to do with him taking photographs, at least not a primary reaction. The details are so sketchy that speculation is pointless.
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Peter Hague is off-line
07 January 2014 08:46
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Quote from stolenfaces
The story seems to be a) that a member of the public was apparently sworn at by a policeman. b) the member of the public videoed part of the exchange c) the member of the public 'had been taking photographs of a road in Churchdown' There is no particular reason from the report to think that the apparent reaction to the man was anything to do with him taking photographs, at least not a primary reaction. The details are so sketchy that speculation is pointless.



The full video on Youtube (12 mins) shows its about the guy taking pictures of an accident scene, then standing up for his legal rights when ordered by the copper to delete the images, questioning the officers claim that he has to have his permission to take photographs in public, question "what for?" when threatened with arrest, and finally get threatened with physical violence for being there.

This copper should be out, no pension, but we all know it'll be "words of advice have been given" when they close ranks and protect one of their own.
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Paul Hodson is off-line
07 January 2014 12:07
mph
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mph
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Crewe

I thought he was pretty restrained!

Having listened to the entire video - whilst technically the copper was not correct about deleting images he was clearly trying to be sensitive to the victims - and although he was out of order to some extent I am not unsympathetic with him. The guy also let the police thought he was a reporter - which he may or may not have been. He went through the images and was clearly trying to be reasonable.

And there was no threat of violence - nothing more than a flippant comment. Give the guy a break.

Storm in a teacup for me!


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G Jack B is off-line
07 January 2014 12:42
Plymjack
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Devon
Plymouth

Quote from PeterH
Why? As distasteful as some may find it, taking pictures of an accident scene, the dead and injured, is legal to do, and to be threatened with physical violence by a police officer is wholly wrong. His job is to uphold the laws enacted by parliament, not invent and enforce rules he's created on the spot.




So when you have a car accident and are laying on the road awaiting an ambulance you are OK that a passing photographer takes some pics of your broken bleeding body nd then uploads them to facebook so your family might see them before the police have had time to inform the next-of-kin.....  ?  lets hope your not dead as your family might not be happy to see your pic like that!
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w4pictures is online
07 January 2014 14:09
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w4pictures
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London
Chiswick

It sounds from the video that the policeman was in no doubt that the photographer was acting in an questionable manner, whether that was getting in their way or taking pictures of the accident, thus the comment that he would put him before a magistrate and see what he thought.

Like all these things with just part of the information, its hard to judge but, if you consider the procedure, distress, logistics etc. of dealing with a nasty traffic accident, the last thing the police need is a numpty with a camera regardless of the legality of it. On that basis, its hard to sympathise with the photographer.


Mantisphoto is off-lineSilver Member
07 January 2014 15:27
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Birmingham


Im sorry but regardless of what the actual pictures were of, unless the photographer had actually broken any law... and afaik taking pictures of an accident in a public place is perfectly legal since there were no cordons in place restricting movement of pedestrians... the officer is extremely out of order...

Those who sympathise with him are wrong. If the officer believes a crime was committed he should have arrested the man, and not spent 12 minutes threatening him. He should have let the courts decide on the situation, but he knows that the courts and CPS would have not done anything about it and the man could have then claimed wrongful arrest. Also, asking a man to delete photos is unlawful too... only a court order may demand that images get deleted, and otherwise, if a crime had been commited, deleting them is destruction of evidence. It is also very easy to recover deleted images in just a few minutes so entirely pointless.

Claiming "you're lucky i dont knock you out" and "im going to make your day a living hell" are the words of a power hungry officer and nothing more. 

I hope he gets dismissed!!



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