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MPs to get 11% Pay Rise

Rupert Rudd is off-line
10 December 2013 12:06
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Perfectly happy for MPs to have 11% increase. It may reduce the temptation to overload their expenses. HOWEVER the number of MPs should be halved. My City doesn't need 3 MPs, 1 would be sufficient.
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10 December 2013 12:15
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Interestingly these greedy c**ts have managed to secure themselves a nice bung on boxing day for doing the job they're contractually obliged to do:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25318482


Considering some of these guys (esp. mainline train drivers) get almost the same as MPs I'd say one of those two occupations is massively underpaid.
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Rob Keynsham is off-line
14 December 2013 20:17
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Can anybody tell me what MP's do? At the moment I'm unable to make an informed decision on the pay rise. We have high unemployment; an economy dependent on a single industry; a housing shortage; a rising national debt and a problem with illegal immigration. We appear to electing people based on their media skills and not their ability to govern effectively. Is their current pay comparable with that of a local news reader?


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15 December 2013 03:43
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If you want to have an informed opinion about the recommendation (Informed? Whatever next!) you can read the report itself here:

http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/payandpensions/Documents/09.%20MPs%27%20Pay%20and%20Pensions%20-%20A%20New%20Package%20-%20July%202013.pdf

The fact that all three party leaders have come out against it indicates it is probably justified as their opposition is clearly based on fear of public reaction rather than logic

There are of course other measures about pensions and allowances which will reduce the cost - but don't make good headlines.

MPs’ pay will a take one-off hike to £74,000. Ipsa says this is to ‘address the historic shortfall’. This is a 11 per cent rise based on what they’re paid today, or 9.26 per cent on top of a previously announced inflation-linked pay rise. After this, MPs’ pay will track average earnings — going up or down based on what’s going on rest of the country.
Less generous pension scheme. The current final salary pension scheme will be discontinued, replaced with one based on career average re-valued earnings (CARE). This is more in line with other parts of the public sector. MPs’ individual contributions to their pensions will also rise.
Resettlement (redundancy) payments are scrapped. To be replaced with ‘more modest loss-of-office payments’. This will only be handed out to MPs who contest and lose their seat at a general election.
More expenses restrictions. No more free tea and biscuits, or evening meals when Parliament sits late on the taxpayers’ tab. MPs can only claim for taxis when the Commons rises after 11pm, and hotels if the Commons rises after 1am.

All of this costs…nothing. Despite the furore over the base pay rise, the reductions in pensions and expenses means the changes will be neutral and cost the taxpayer nothing. Ipsa’s chair Ian Kennedy reminded us today:
‘We have designed these reforms so they do not cost the taxpayer a penny more. When taken with the tens of millions we have saved by reforming the business cost and expenses regime, we have saved the taxpayer over £35 million with the changes we have introduced since 2010.’
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15 December 2013 03:58
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I think that people should read past the point about the 11% increase in pay. The point is that their remuneration package, i.e. all the extra benefits that many people get, is NOT increasing, thus all that is happening is that the package is changing shape, I am not sure, but this could actually mean that they get less cash in their hands because they will pay more tax. One thing that I do know, their pension scheme is costing individuals more money, i.e. the cost split is changing to reduce the government (i.e. our) contribution, and increasing theirs, which since they and local government employees are one of the few groups with a decent final salary pension, can only be a good thing.

Many flexible benefit packages operate in this way, you want more holiday, fine you lose a bit of pay, you want more life cover, you lose a bit more pay, choice is up to you.
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15 December 2013 04:33
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Quote from LaurenceJPower
I think that people should read past the point about the 11% increase in pay. The point is that their remuneration package, i.e. all the extra benefits that many people get, is NOT increasing, thus all that is happening is that the package is changing shape, I am not sure, but this could actually mean that they get less cash in their hands because they will pay more tax. One thing that I do know, their pension scheme is costing individuals more money, i.e. the cost split is changing to reduce the government (i.e. our) contribution, and increasing theirs, which since they and local government employees are one of the few groups with a decent final salary pension, can only be a good thing.

Many flexible benefit packages operate in this way, you want more holiday, fine you lose a bit of pay, you want more life cover, you lose a bit more pay, choice is up to you.



Oh stop being reasonable!
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15 December 2013 05:43
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Not just MPs, there is historic shortfalls in many public sector pay that has not been addressed averaging around 13% for university support staffs. I wish this independent body that asses MPs back pay increase would come and asses other public workers pay. However that is unlikely to happen.


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15 December 2013 05:58
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Quote from Chandos
Not just MPs, there is historic shortfalls in many public sector pay that has not been addressed averaging around 13% for university support staffs. I wish this independent body that asses MPs back pay increase would come and asses other public workers pay. However that is unlikely to happen.



If workers are not happy with their pay in the Public Sector they can always move into the Private Sector!

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15 December 2013 06:15
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If workers are not happy with their pay in the Public Sector they can always move into the Private Sector!




Some have and some took second jobs to supplement the shortfall. I'm comparing public sector with public sector, no need to bringing in private sector in your rebuttal.
I've worked in the private sector too and I like some of ths ethics of private companies so you can forget the socialist bashing here. I'm all for performance related and more one put in the more one get out. My family has a business for nearly 30years. When I left school in the 80s during the reign of Maggie Thatcher I did'nt join the dole queu like many of my fellow school leavers in the era of high unemployment. I was a computer field service engineer for companies with multi million pound contracts and in those less PC days I was the only none white face and I need to work harder than my colleagues just to be respected as an equal.


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15 December 2013 06:50
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Quote from tonycsm
If workers are not happy with their pay in the Public Sector they can always move into the Private Sector!




Isn't that a bit like saying "If MPs aren't happy with their pay they can always find another job"?



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