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MPs to get 11% Pay Rise

Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
09 December 2013 10:59
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Can anyone tell me why the pay that MPs get has anything to do with the state of the economy?



It's all to do with Labour voters wanting any excuse to beat their gums most likely.
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09 December 2013 12:36
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I just think it should be relevant, If MP's get 11% the benefits and pensions paid to the electorate should rise by the same percentage.
It would cut a lot of the discord and totally irrelevant comparisons that come out of the woodwork again and again.


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09 December 2013 13:22
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Assuming you have read the IPSA report

http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/payandpensions/Documents/9.%20MPs%27%20Pay%20and%20Pensions%20-%20A%20New%20Package%20-%20July%202013.pdf

It would be interesting to hear the points where you feel they got it wrong

(you have read the report not just the media headlines of course?)
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09 December 2013 20:00
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Can anyone tell me why the pay that MPs get has anything to do with the state of the economy?

I'd quite like competent MPs and these days they are not normally independently wealthy so they need pay and need to find the job attractive.

They have their pay set by an independent body based on the rate they would get for comparable jobs.

The economy is affected by international markets and Treasury policy. Not MPs.

So what's the deal about coming down on MPs pay? I genuinely don't get it.





The point is that MPs' pay is compared to that of top paid people who have all been happily increasing their pay at a huge rate whilst claiming their companies can only survive by cutting the wages of the normal worker.

When they decided that civil servants should get negligible pay increases that ignored the worth of the jobs that particular civil servants did, and it was the politicians that said 'we are all in it together'. This report just proves what a total lie that was.

An MP's salary should only ever increase at the same rate as the lowest paid cleaner or catering worker at the house of commons (or at the % increase of the minimum wage).

Is anyone seriously suggesting that the standard of MPs and particularly ministers has increased in line with their increased pay? You also have to remember that for many, being an MP is just a part-time job.

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09 December 2013 20:19
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09 December 2013 20:59
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When you get prima donna football players kicking a ball around that earn 20, 30, 40...times the annual wage of MP's and even the PM who have all the responsibility of looking after the country, it somehow puts their wages into perspective.



As RC has indicated, it's not the MPs who are seeking wage increases, it's the body in charge of setting their wages suggesting they accept it! 



Surely you should be advocating that MPs could be more efficient and receive performance related pay, I guess IDS would be well into negative territory by now [I realise he's a minister and gets twice as much pay because he is actually in charge of something].
or maybe like footballers they could be officially sponsored with nice little logos on their arms.

We could operate a free market in MPs where each person's vote being worth £x and the elected mp gets the money that the electorate think each individual is worth... this would be considerably more sane than the Railways 'free market'

What do MPs actually do? mainly turn up and vote when the whips tell them to, how much is that really worth. What actual skills do you need to just do what you're told (by the party, not the electorate). I'm sure they all got first dibs at the Royal Mail sell-off trough and most of the Tories have nice holdings/jobs/consultancies in the companies who are being given lucrative contracts in the NHS sell-off (as revealed in the Guardian - google it!).

Were far-eastern betting syndicates really putting money on how many times Osbourne would say 'Difficult decisions' in his autumn statement ? Surely some money to be made there....

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10 December 2013 02:50
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+1

We'd all be mindless (& useless) sheep as there'd be no carrot & stick to entice us to better ourselves and no desire to contribute more.
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Were far-eastern betting syndicates really putting money on how many times Osbourne would say 'Difficult decisions' in his autumn statement ? Surely some money to be made there....



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. or maybe like footballers they could be officially sponsored with nice little logos on their arms. ....



You mean like how the unions sponsor Labour MPs?

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10 December 2013 06:46
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+1

We'd all be mindless (& useless) sheep as there'd be no carrot & stick to entice us to better ourselves and no desire to contribute more.



Yep! 
From what I've seen of them they are forever bleating on about how terrible things are in this country, how downtrodden and exploited their lot are, how life isn't fair - It must be a thoroughly rotten and miserable existance with all that pent-up bitterness just waiting to be regurgitated at the mere mention of those heinous words "personal responsibility, living within the country's means and of course the word Tory".

What I find particularly curious is that you rarely hear those who don't have left wing leanings living under the same conditions moaning. They just seem to get on with it!

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