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Bob is off-linePlatinum Member
19 September 2013 13:04
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Quote from shapeman
Matt how about having all three / four where you can use all or a selection. County City  postcode  radius


That might be useful (possibly as a benefit for us Platinum members? ) though in my opinion none of these methods actually works particularly effectively. I think the only effective way would be to have an interactive map like the ones on SatNav screens and the ability to drop a crosshair on the road map and then zoom out incrementally to find map pins corresponding with the locations of recently active members. However the problems to that would be the cost of creating the application, the safety considerations as dodgy feckers could then home in on models' locations (which under the current system are suitably vague), and the need for users to keep their details up to date. In this last respect two models I have worked with a number of times over the last year have each had three different addresses and have not updated their locations on the various sites they use.

I've used search facilities on most of the popular sites like this over the last ten years and I have yet to find one that actually works. The ones I have found to be worst are the distance-based ones, as unless you live in the centre of a large conurbation the chances are that your search will turn out something like 4, 16 or 256 results as the radius increases. Using neighbouring postcodes is also pretty useless unless you are searching a conurbation where postcode clusters are all similarly sized and populated.

I actually think Matt's original suggestion at the start of this thread is possibly the most workable as it can be tailored by the user to suit their local area and their needs.
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1) replace the areas with counties
2) allow multiple locations to be added to a casting call


Alternatively, just persuade the under-26 members to buy a YPR then move close to a mainline train station and the over-26 members to buy cars and move close to road transport nodes, then give us the facility to search by train station or by motorway junction.

Seemples!
Bob





Neil Anderson is off-line
19 September 2013 17:09
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What I would like is to notified if any models in my favourites post castings.
So if a model I have identified as someone I'd be interested in working with, but lives up north posts a casting about travelling to London, I don't miss it.

This would be much more useful to me than any arbitrary distance search or administrative areas.
There are some models I would travel a long way/time for, there are many who wouldn't interest me if the lived next door.
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matt is a moderatorPlatinum Member
19 September 2013 18:20
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Quote from shapeman
Matt how about having all three / four where you can use all or a selection. County (Lancashire) City (Manchester) postcode (M2 miles radius (12)



Yes that is certainly a possibility


Quote from stolenfaces
What I would like is to notified if any models in my favourites post castings.
So if a model I have identified as someone I'd be interested in working with, but lives up north posts a casting about travelling to London, I don't miss it.

This would be much more useful to me than any arbitrary distance search or administrative areas.
There are some models I would travel a long way/time for, there are many who wouldn't interest me if the lived next door.



That's a very good idea
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Paul Hodson is off-line
20 September 2013 07:26
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Quote from stolenfaces
What I would like is to notified if any models in my favourites post castings.



I would have to delete one of my "favourites" categories in that case!!!   surprise

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Neil Anderson is off-line
20 September 2013 11:26
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I would have to delete one of my "favourites" categories in that case!!!  






Obviously it would need a checkbox per category
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Skymouse is off-lineGold Member
22 September 2013 23:10
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Hi Matt, thanks for the hard work; good to see things continuing to progress.

My occasional fetish castings don't involve "sexual interaction between two people" (and sometimes don't involve ANY sexual conduct). They also often don't involve any nudity. Currently I have to tick the "Adult" flag because it is fetish, but if "Adult" is now widely interpreted as sexual interaction, then the requirement to tick "Adult" is a requirement to make a VERY misleading casting.

Already I have sometimes avoided the existing confusion by ticking the "Adult" flag, while including a phrase like "NOT Adult!" in the subject header or body text.

"Explicit" vs "non-explicit" would, I fear, be no less prone to misinterpretation.

FWIW, my ideal approach would be as follows:

1. There should be a simple choice of "porn" vs "not porn". This should be accompanied by an explanation that "porn" means stuff intended to sexually arouse the target viewers, absolutely regardless of content.

2. Attributes like like nudity, toys, open leg, lying on rockfaces, wearing certain kinds of clothing, performing a strange act, looking unengaged while adopting an inhuman (and possibly inhumane) posture, and any of the infinite variety of stuff that forms the content of the shoot — those should be spelt out in the text of the casting.

3. There should be a field labelled "How is the model paid?". The available answers should be:

a) "a simple payment in money, the amount to be agreed before the shoot",

b) "an arrangement that includes at least one type of substantial consideration that is neither a simple payment nor TF*",

c) "other".

Obviously the wording can be improved, but that's the gist of it.
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Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
23 September 2013 02:46
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Quote from skymouse
My occasional fetish castings don't involve "sexual interaction between two people" (and sometimes don't involve ANY sexual conduct). They also often don't involve any nudity. Currently I have to tick the "Adult" flag because it is fetish, but if "Adult" is now widely interpreted as sexual interaction, then the requirement to tick "Adult" is a requirement to make a VERY misleading casting.

Already I have sometimes avoided the existing confusion by ticking the "Adult" flag, while including a phrase like "NOT Adult!" in the subject header or body text.



For years on here you've kept going on about how non-sexual your work is.  The fact is, your work IS adult oriented, unlike simply wearing (say) latex or rope bondage (which could be clothed) and could be seen along the lines of 'edgy' fashion or art, what you shoot is directly aimed at getting someone's rocks off and would be considered taboo by many of the general populace and it is not what you'd want to see publicly and certainly not to allow kids to see it.

As long as there's clear communication both ways in e-mails/PMs regarding what is/is not required I don't see the problem with 'adult' being a general term.  My emails can almost sound patronising in trying to ascertain what is required but I like to make sure we're both clear about exactly what's being shot.
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Megan Reynolds is off-line
23 September 2013 04:23
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I'm with skymouse... A lot of what I shoot at the moment in non-open leg, non-sexual nude fetish work. I currently tick adult and am fine with that, but if it was changed to explicit or open-leg that wouldn't be suitable for 80% of my castings...


Paul Hodson is off-line
23 September 2013 04:57
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Perhaps some way of indicating a shoot is for a "specialist" web site?
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Skymouse is off-lineGold Member
23 September 2013 07:14
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Quote from RedChecker
For years on here you've kept going on about how non-sexual your work is. 



I've described my stuff as "porn" ever since I began. Its main purpose is to sexually excite the viewer, even though in some cases there are other purposes.

Quote from RedChecker
The fact is, your work IS adult oriented, unlike simply wearing (say) latex or rope bondage (which could be clothed) and could be seen along the lines of 'edgy' fashion or art, what you shoot is directly aimed at getting someone's rocks off and would be considered taboo by many of the general populace and it is not what you'd want to see publicly and certainly not to allow kids to see it.



Payment processors, acquiring banks, gateway operators and the like all classify my content as Adult, and there is no room for dispute. They use the word "Adult" as a synonym for pornography, in a similar sense to the one I use. This is a strict and formal categorisation with material and contractual consequences; an "Adult" ecommerce business has a different type of MID and is subject to different tarrifs and rules, etc. Because that is the meaning I've always been exposed to in business, it's the meaning that is most familiar to me, i.e. Adult = Porn = stuff intended to get the target audience off, regardless of the content.



Quote from RedChecker
As long as there's clear communication both ways in e-mails/PMs regarding what is/is not required I don't see the problem with 'adult' being a general term.  My emails can almost sound patronising in trying to ascertain what is required but I like to make sure we're both clear about exactly what's being shot.



I'm with you 100% on that, and it is only the initial step where things can falter, because the present arrangement results in a casting's most visible (and search-affecting) attribute having a different interpretation from the one intended if Matt's perception is accurate. If, on the other hand, people understand Adult the same way as I do, i.e. the same as Porn, i.e. anything intended to get people off (regardless of its specific content), then the present system is already near as damn it ok, though it could benefit by adding a label clarifying that the Adult flag has the above meaning (and perhaps changing the word Adult to Porn to further emphasise the meaning).
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