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Success? Will it see a change in attitudes?...

Joel Hicks is off-line
18 August 2013 12:30
JoelHicks
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JoelHicks
Location
United Kingdom
Leicestershire


The subject of photographing a male (or lack of it) comes up from time to time in the forum...

Many photographers don't have or include a single image of a male in their portfolio, despite often years of apparent experience behind the lens - and often the reason given for this is market forces. Now this is not something that I particularly agree with, given that most photographers on this site don't shoot to make money.

With that said, many of these photographers will pay the professional female models that they inevitably decide to shoot...

Now in relation to success stories, in 2013 alone I have worked for High & Mighty, McDonalds, HSBC, Nokia, the Discovery Channel, Channel 4... I've just had a commercial released for Harpic (I play a fireman!)... I've shot for clothing companies such as 'This Is Not Clothing' (on sale in Harvey Nichols), Men's Health, Men's Fitness, Heat, other magazines and so on...

So will this apparent success be reflected on the portfolio-hosting sites? Will photographers now start to engage with the male form? My guess is that it won't...

As a photographer (as well as a model) I love to shoot talent... whether it's male or female. Whilst I understand that those using this site (and sites like it) as a professional springboard for specific genres of work will obviously not wish to shoot men, and whilst I understand that it is down to each individual as to who they wish to shoot, I really feel it's a shame that fewer photographers wish to capture the male form...



Ken Pegg is off-line
18 August 2013 13:28
kenp
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kenp
Location
United Kingdom
Dorset
Weymouth

So, this Harpic stuff, any good?


Stu-Art UK is off-line
19 August 2013 05:09
stu_art
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stu_art
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United Kingdom
Dorset


I would suggest that whilst you metion market forces, you also answer the question with your observation that most photographers are not necessarilly shooting for paid asignments, so personal choice will influence greatly, do they want to shoot females or males?

I have no problem working with male models, my port has a few of one particular guy, Andrea, the reason I enjoyed working with him was that he is a serious Street Dancer, and thats something I have an interest in, and he is a good laugh (and an excellent Hair Stylist). So I was more than happy to work with him and provide some images for his portfolio and improve my own.

Maybe male photographers are just nervous about working with toned male models, and asking them to get their 'kit off' as they might with a female!

But I think its an interesting post and wonder if there might be more replies.......

"Capture what you see, see what you captured"


Durham Photographics is off-lineSilver Member
19 August 2013 07:13
Sarge
Photographer
Sarge
Location
United Kingdom
County Durham


I think this is interesting too and makes me think of the seriousness of some photographers (both hobbyist and professional).

I enjoy photography for the photography itself and don't mind what the subject is.

The fact of the matter is 'most' photographers just want to see ladies naked, like it or not.

I had this argument a few years ago on here, asking why if you are serious about photography then why not shoot males. Some of the reasons (possibly excuses) are that they cant think of poses for males, have no interest in males photos or some other reason.

It would be interesting to know of those photographers on here, why they refuse to shoot males especially those who state that artistic nudes are one of their preferences. If they refuse then are they the ones who just want to see naked ladies?


Joel Hicks is off-line
19 August 2013 08:13
JoelHicks
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JoelHicks
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Leicestershire


I think the topic is a difficult one, but one that is largely ignored or overlooked by many that utilise sites such as this...

The point that a photographer may have no interest in shooting a male is quite valid, and if that is the case then all other issues become irrelevant... but this does not reflect the commercial world where males (although not on a par with females at this time) certainly claim a greater proportion of the market.

For me, as a professional, full-time, experienced, agency signed and represented male model, the argument that a photographer can't think of poses for a male is redundant - to pose is my job! Sarge, like you, I've heard this stated before too... and I'm just amazed by it. If you paid one of the top female models on this site and they turned up to shoot and you then had to walk them through different poses, you'd question why you were paying the girl in the first place! The same applies for the top males...

The other argument is that the standard of male models on sites such as this is poor... and, to a certain degree, I agree with this. But the photographers (and to a large extent the sites themselves) do little to encourage professional males. If I get two jobs a year from the internet freelance work I'm doing well! That's appalling compared to any of the top females on this site who can (should they choose) work every day of the week.

As for photographers just picking up a camera to shoot naked ladies - well, I'm sure there is a proportion of photographers out there with such tendencies, but likewise, the same can be said for some rather questionable photographers who seem to shoot every young boy starting out in this industry on a TF basis!


Durham Photographics is off-lineSilver Member
19 August 2013 11:55
Sarge
Photographer
Sarge
Location
United Kingdom
County Durham


There could also be another argument in that they just have no interest in males at all.
I like watch racing, bikes, cars, etc, but that doesnt mean I should like horse racing too (which I don't).


OldMaster is off-line
19 August 2013 12:45
OldMaster
Photographer
OldMaster
Location
United Kingdom
Hertfordshire
Harpenden

I take your points, but the fact remains, particularly for "mostly glamour" sites like this that most photographers are male and I guess the majority on here are heterosexual and most models (on here) are female.

In this world of mostly non-commercial shoots, men prefer naked or near naked females and I think the prospect of photographing a male model would unnerve many and may not have much appeal either?

Another point is that a guy tends to be a guy and is relatively limited in "looks".. girls on the other hand as we know seem to be able to express themselves in a myriad of ways, hair, make up, fashion, shoes, nails, eyes, lips, expressions, moods and I have to say from a personal point of view the female form is often so capable of creating beautiful shapes whereas a guy, well, muscle tone and six pack, beautiful to some I know, but not probably the majority of togs on a site such as this?

In the world of commerce and advertising you seem to be picking up some very worthwhile contracts and one could question why you are on a site such as this at all! Apart from "serious" jobs that you seem well suited to, there must be other sites and agencies that would benefit you if you were looking to do more "arty" stuff?

On another issue....Is it as good as Cillit Bang though...!?


Joel Hicks is off-line
19 August 2013 17:43
JoelHicks
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JoelHicks
Location
United Kingdom
Leicestershire


In response to 'Old Master'...

Is this a glamour site? Or is this a photography & modelling site which simply contains more glamour because of the very issue this post is debating?

Whilst I totally respect your opinion, I couldn't disagree more with your point that a guy is limited in looks. This post isn't talking about new male models who are possibly starting out in the industry and who might be learning the trade... it is looking at the issue of professional, full-time male models. If you look at my portfolio and just see 'muscle tone and a 6-pack' then I'm horrified, and I would hope that the variety of distinct and different images in my portfolio would demonstrate that. Yes, my portfolio contains the 'male-glamour' images you speak of, but it also contains art-nude, erotica, theatrical imagery, film-noir, sports imagery, emotive shots, creative imagery, underwater imagery, fire-breathing, dance shots, and so on.

In answer to your query as to why I am on a sight like this at all, the answer is simple... it's how I first got into modelling, and whilst it doesn't generate me any work, it does allow me to network - as you will see again from my portfolio I also specialise in couples work (and as such, knowing the skilled and professional female models is a pre-requisite). I'm not looking to sign with any further agencies, as I have agencies in London, Birmingham, Manchester and so on... and there are no portfolio hosting sites which specialise in professional male models seeking work (that I know of at least), for the very same reasons as I have already stated.


19 August 2013 17:57
PaulManuell
Photographer


Speaking personally, although my photography goal is to create brilliant photos that make other models want to work with me (and as yet, I'm far from achieving that), the fact is that as a heterosexual I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in looking through the viewfinder at a male, no matter how good a model he is. Shallow? Probably, but that's how it is.


Porthos is off-line
19 August 2013 18:04
Porthos
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Porthos
Location
United Kingdom
Norfolk


My main problem with shooting male models is finding decent ones.
Very few of them take it seriously.
I know you and that you work out and take good care of your skin etc. But I've had more than a few turn up with hairy legs, Bad tattoos , chewed finger nails, pot bellies and bad skin and these were meant to be professional one of whom supposedly was on 'Models One's books.
My other problem is attitude, I've had my fill of Young idiots who move at a snails pace, can't hold an expression(Let alone a pose) other than a sneer for two seconds.
I'd happily shoot more males if it wasn't so difficult in finding more with a professional outlook.
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