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29 July 2013 13:21
HoneyB
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If I was a model I'd never sign the release at the start of the shoot.



As a relatively new model you dont realise this, I didnt. Ive also worked on a number of professional published shoots since where the ID & release is done at the start just because its easier, including when Galaxy Publications had their in house studio & photographer. However, being a very experienced model now, I wouldn't sign a release (but happy to show ID) at the start of a shoot unless I trust the photographer/company 100%.
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29 July 2013 13:45
AegeanSoft
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I check that my models have proof of age at the start of the shoot. No proof of age and without a photo being taken they go home at their own expense as this is made plain during our negotiations prior to the shoot.

I only pay the model once I have a signed model release at the end of the shoot and both they and I are satisfied that they have provided the pre-agreed content.

As mine are professional shoots I expect professionalism from the model just as they must expect it from me.

I am disgusted by the, purported, actions of this predator and, if they are true he deserves another period of incarceration at Her Majesty's pleasure.

Any model abused by him should report it to the Halifax police, regardless of how long ago it was.

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29 July 2013 17:24
Sarge
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Sarge
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County Durham


Quote from AegeanSoft
Any model abused by him should report it to the Halifax police, regardless of how long ago it was.



Agreed.

And just to clarify a point or a concern, it is true that no prosecution may go ahead due to insufficient evidence, BUT the report will remain on the police computer for a LONG time. Ok, it wont be on PNC unless a criminal conviction is brought about, but will be on their local (force) PC and if any other complainants come forward it will flag up that there have been previous reports. The older 'closed' reports can quite easily be reopened and dealt with alongside newer reports.

To say the police 'wont do anything' or 'wont take it seriously' is not true and even if nothing is done at that time, it could quite easily be used in the future to bring a prosecution. The more reports, the bigger the picture, the easier a prosecution.

One piece of a jigsaw may not mean much, but several pieces can make a picture.

The police are still in the process of collaborating all the information from each and every force ever since the Soham murders of Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells brought out failings in having different systems in each force.


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30 July 2013 07:03
IainT
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IainT
Location
United Kingdom
Bedfordshire


This is an exerpt from an email I receieved from a model, if you wish to read her full account of the incident, please go to my blog.

The third shoot was different. First he touched himself through his pants while filming. I ignored it because he was filming and mentioning it would have meant starting an exceptionally trying scene over again. All throughout he was visibly aroused, he unzipped his pants at one point, I told him to zip them up. He said he would keep on booking me if I did ‘boy girl’ with him. I said no. He became even nastier and when doing another scene, asked me to close my eyes, which I did. He then ejaculated on my breasts without permission and I was frozen with shock. I was locked in there with him. I find it difficult to explain why I carried on but I felt he would hurt me physically AND knew he paid by cheque and would cancel it (travel was not included and I could not afford the trip otherwise).

I went into the bathroom to wash up. He told me to hurry up and get changed as if nothing had happened. I changed. With one more scene to go, and nearly crying, I did the last scene which involved me being on all fours masturbating. Nearly as the scene ended I felt him behind me, fell to the floor and turned over, he was exposing himself, mastubating and clearing intending to rape me. I brought up my leg towards his crotch and made to kick with my leg which had a heel on it. He put his semi erect penis away and he cut(he goes simply MAD if he has to cut) and I had to shoot the whole scene over. I was red raw. I took the cheque and agreed to work with him again just to get out.

Like the model you mentioned, it was only on the train that I started to shake and went into the toilets and vomited and cried. I have been informed by portfolio hosting sites that by naming the assailant publicly I am liable to ***** suing me. I have continued to use various forums etc. to warn models and written to models warning them not to shoot with *****.I have mostly had my emails ignored and the girls still work with him. I guess the pull of the money is too great for them.

I honestly would die if I saw the man again, recounting this in such detail has wiped me out even though this was maybe 8 years ago now, the shame is still there.

I feel so dirty and I do feel responsible for what has happened to others, but I am just too scared, knowing what cross examination is like, that I would fall to pieces. I know I would. But thank you for getting this out there. It needs to be talked about whatever the ‘risks’.
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30 July 2013 08:43
JohnB
Photographer


I am ashamed at what that model had to go through at the hands of another so called photographer
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30 July 2013 09:27
HowardJ
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HowardJ
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Surrey
West Midlands

Yep he is a sick puppy and most models, photographers and agents know it. We warn people about his behaviour if they decide to go to Halifax or suggest that if they do want to work with that company that they do so via their female photographer in Essex in order to totally avoid any "issues" with the male photographer.


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30 July 2013 10:27
Amber6
Model
Amber6
Location
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Dumfries and Galloway


Unfortunately, people like this often only prey on the young and who they consider 'weak'. Just like in the animal kingdom. I've worked with someone who another model found abusive (I did not know this at time!), and he was absolutely good as gold with me.

I also understand the fear of 'having to go along with it' as I was essentially in a locked warehouse with the photographer who was very inappropriate with me. I was forced to play it cool (even though I was terrified) until we left the building. Running isnt always an option. I'm pleased to say that individual no longer practices photography(it might be hard from jail, where I believe him to be).

I have worked with the company in question, but not for the individual this thread refers to. When I worked with them, I was betwixt and between as to whether it was all hearsay. Also, I knew and trusted the person I worked with (who is truly lovely).


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30 July 2013 17:09
fizzy
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fizzy
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Tyne and Wear
Newcastle upon Tyne

It's truly awful what this individual has done to numerous women. It's also truly awful that they're being made to feel responsible for the treatment of others at his hands. The onus shouldn't be on his poor victims to prevent it happening again, it should be on him not being a vile, predatory piece of fizzy is a naughty person .

In my opinion, the law shouldn't allow sex offenders to work alone with adults either particularly in an easily abused position as an adult shooter. Just because someone molested children when they were convicted does not mean that they will only target children and that others are not at risk.
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31 July 2013 04:41
Honesty
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Quote from fizzy
It's truly awful what this individual has done to numerous women. It's also truly awful that they're being made to feel responsible for the treatment of others at his hands. The onus shouldn't be on his poor victims to prevent it happening again, it should be on him not being a vile, predatory piece of Honesty is a naughty person .

In my opinion, the law shouldn't allow sex offenders to work alone with adults either particularly in an easily abused position as an adult shooter. Just because someone molested children when they were convicted does not mean that they will only target children and that others are not at risk.



True, but it is easy to get carried away when there are so many of them who could have reported it. Although understandably the type of victim chosen doen make it even more difficult for them. Personally I'm exponentially more angry at the agents and other models who continue to work. I mean what's £400/500 every so often in the grand scheme of things it's nothing. He's basically paying approximate b/g rates for solo which is probably how he justifies his bbehaviour to himself. But to a model, really? You need the money that much? I'd put myself about escorting before I worked with a piece of Honesty is a naughty person like that.


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31 July 2013 13:30
IainT
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IainT
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United Kingdom
Bedfordshire


Quote from Amber6


I also understand the fear of 'having to go along with it' as I was essentially in a locked warehouse with the photographer who was very inappropriate with me. I was forced to play it cool (even though I was terrified) until we left the building. Running isnt always an option. I'm pleased to say that individual no longer practices photography(it might be hard from jail, where I believe him to be).





I think this is what people who have not actually been in the situation fail to understand.

Its very easy to tell people what they *should* have done in any particular situation, when you are offering the advice from a position of safety and security.

You simply cannot question a particular individuals action in a given situation of danger, if you have not been in that situation yourself.
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