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03 August 2013 09:27
TheStudioMK
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No you are right I have never been a victim... but then what is the point of this thread ? If victims don't make a stand against these idiots it will go on forever... if the people who experience these acts don't speak up then nothing will get done, and as I said the next model may experience something even worse...

The bottom line, and my reason for posting the link to the fashion photographer... is in our industry there is a group of people who believe this is part of the industry... I should also mention some models don't help, as I know models who offer "extra services" to photographers, yes basically escorts... so some photographers immediately (and wrongly) assume that all models do...

I remember one photographer coming to my old studio and saying "you shoot ***** don't you" he referred to a model I shot regually... I confirmed I did, to which he informed me he was due to shoot her soon, and went on to say "I'm going to F*** her too" I was about as shocked as can be, especially as the model concerned was a topless only model... I informed him "I don't think you will" to which he told me (and haunts me to this day "Every model as a price, you just have to come up with the right number to get them into bed"

Needless to say I told the model concerned and she did not shoot with him... Needless to say if any model asked me about him since I have told them to be very weary and suggested they take a chaperone (which to my knowledge he doesn't allow) He's a pretty well known photographer (but as we're not naming names) and has a reputation for this... but does that stop him from shooting ? No.

Girls who want to be successful still shoot with him cause of the promise of success. Alas almost every model I know as a bad story to tell, an experience they shouldn't have... There are things girls can do to safeguard themselves... but of course it's a shame they need to.


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03 August 2013 09:30
TheStudioMK
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Quote from flashysnapper
No not a genius or a sarcastic a*** just some one who thinks this thread is too important to be taken even slightly of original OP's topic



If you cant see the relevence of my post does that make my post not relevent... I feel it's very relevent, that being that a lot of photographers believe that sexual interaction in one guise or another is part of this industry... I have met many big named so called reputable photographers who believe this to be the case... it's a state of mind for some...

But hey ho...



03 August 2013 10:05
paulbatterbury
Photographer


Quote from IainT
Well obviously its a sexual assault and a serious one at that, but if you read her full account she explains why she did not go to the Police. The following paragraph is not directed at you in particular, its just a general comment. One of the commonest themes is "Well why didn't she go to the Police", "She should have gone to the Police", "Why didn't she resist", "Why did she let him do it" etc..etc...blah, blah, blah. If you have not been the victim of a sexual assault, you simply do not have the right to criticise or give retrospective advice to those who have been victims, as you cannot put yourself accurately in their position or make any valid claims regarding what you would do yourself if placed in a similar situation.




Iain I fully understand the point you make, I am reluctant to tell people what I do for a living, due to the horror stories, it almost like they pre-judge you due to what you do.
 
For the victim, it is never racking, they are scared, and they feel if they do not comply, things could be much, much worst for them, end in physical violence or something of that nature.
 
For the offender, they get off on it, it a whole power, domination and control thing, and as you suggested, with each assault and case, the offences gets worst as the offender fantasies grow more violent as they achieve.
 
Because of this psychology the victim feels they can not say anything, because they feel no one will believe them, or due to the reputation of the offender it will harm there career, and each time the offender gets away with it, they feel there is nothing that can stop them… they are untouchable or they justify it in their heads in some way.
 
I can think of a few recent cases over the past few years, where they has been enough talk between different individuals that are incriminating, but because 1 or 2 have only spoken out, nothing is done due to the situation in which offences arises, those who have committed the offence have walk away Scott free, and in some cases it is not the first or second time they been arrested, warned and had kit / computer seized.
 
There is something of a cancer growing in the industry, and because of the exploits of some, it gives wing to those who are nothing more than chancres that have no professional or creative interests   
Kind Regards Paul http://www.paul-batterbury.com


03 August 2013 10:41
AmethystViolet
Model


I had a shoot arranged with this individual by a very well-known agency, but before the shoot could take place, I discovered the history of the man you mention. When I asked the agency about it, they pleaded ignorance, and claimed to have been sending girls to him for fifteen years, even during a time when he was actually in prison! Needless to say, I didn't go on the shoot, but it seems to me that all some agencies care about is getting their fee, and don't give a damn about the dangers to which they are subjecting young models. I do wonder why the police and agencies who monitor sex offenders allow him to continue in the work - I would have expected there to be some sort of restraining order, in just the same way as as those convicted of offences against children have their movements and associations curtailed.


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03 August 2013 17:51
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Derbyshire


Quote from SMILESPHOTO
As far as I'm concerned, the agent who sent this poor girl to this guy in the knowledge of what he was like and without warning her is guilty of conspiracy to rape.



Good for you for bringing this issue to other's attention Iain - if only one aspiring model reads it and avoids the guy then that's a great result. As usual, your post was articulately written and reasoned - you are a credit to the modelling and photographic industry.



I agree with this. If someone drove a child to a paedophile's home that would be considered heinous to say the least. So why the RubyRosetta is a naughty person is it any better to willingly send innocent young women to a rapist!? There still seems to be some underlying prejudice that a 'bad' girl who gets her fanny out isn't entitled to the same basic humanity and respect as a good girl is.

Adult models will have provided an endless source of entertainment to the masses, sometimes putting themselves at great risk, socially, emotionally... It is a shame they don't get more protection when it is most needed, given the amountof pleasure they give others.


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03 August 2013 18:09
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The agency / agent should be outed and blacklisted ... name them !
However, there appears to be models who knowing the facts still work with this company .... why ?
I've thought a lot about this.
I'm a single parent and to be honest.... I would sleep with the devil and all his disciples (male and female) if it meant feeding and keeping a roof over my kids heads.
So in my opinion no model is to blame.
Its the temptation placed in front of models by this company and agency that is to blame.
Expose the agency / agent !


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04 August 2013 03:16
Amber6
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Amber6
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Dumfries and Galloway


Quote from awomanatwork
The agency / agent should be outed and blacklisted ... name them ! However, there appears to be models who knowing the facts still work with this company .... why ? I've thought a lot about this. I'm a single parent and to be honest.... I would sleep with the devil and all his disciples (male and female) if it meant feeding and keeping a roof over my kids heads. So in my opinion no model is to blame. Its the temptation placed in front of models by this company and agency that is to blame. Expose the agency / agent !



Agree 100%


Iain Thomson is off-linePlatinum Member
04 August 2013 04:25
IainT
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IainT
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Bedfordshire


Quote from awomanatwork
The agency / agent should be outed and blacklisted ... name them !
However, there appears to be models who knowing the facts still work with this company .... why ?
I've thought a lot about this.
I'm a single parent and to be honest.... I would sleep with the devil and all his disciples (male and female) if it meant feeding and keeping a roof over my kids heads.
So in my opinion no model is to blame.
Its the temptation placed in front of models by this company and agency that is to blame.
Expose the agency / agent !



I have absolutely no problem outing a particular agency who send models to jobs where they know they will be assaulted by a particular individual and I believe one of the models contributing to my blog has named them on there. However, it is not appropriate or advisable to name an individual or company in this thread or the whole thread could be deleted.

I tend to be a modest man, but then I do have a lot to be modest about.


Jade Samantha is off-linePlatinum Member
05 August 2013 15:12
Jade_Samantha
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Jade_Samantha
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United Kingdom
Leicestershire
Leicester/London

I have heard many stories about this company and I know a girl who was also raped by him.

What I don't understand is how this person has gotten away with it for so long without some girls boyfriend/husband/Dad/Brother going round there and sorting him out.


Rich G is off-line
05 August 2013 15:52
SMILESPHOTO
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Kent


Quote from Jade_Samantha
I have heard many stories about this company and I know a girl who was also raped by him. What I don't understand is how this person has gotten away with it for so long without some girls boyfriend/husband/Dad/Brother going round there and sorting him out.



The problem is Jade that, as this post has shown, people who have suffered at his hands, for various reasons cannot or will not take action. If someone 'sorts him out', he will take them to court and win his case as there will be no evidence against him. For him to make hundreds (or even thousands if he was seriously hurt) of pounds off the back of such action would be even more frustrating!

My personal hope is that as a result of all this there are a couple of positive outcomes: firstly, more models are now aware of the situation and are less likely to put themselves in a vulnerable situation or secondly (even better) is that the guy is made aware of these posts and thinks "Sh*t, they're on to me - let's quit whilst I still can". Unfortunately in the real world neither will probably happen

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