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New DSLR - Advice Needed

17 June 2013 13:57
VinceM
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Here's the deal. I'm an amateur tog. I'm not the most experienced. Mainly interested in portrature, the erotic and the nude. No real desire for a camera that can give tell me where I am or indeed one that will do an amazing job in making video.

My last camera was a Canon 40D which was stolen. Before this I had a Canon 350D.

I now find myself in the position to be able to replace my stolen camera. I'm also in the fortunate position to have some extra funds (Big sales bonus this month after working my arse off since Jan)

I don't have any existing lenses (both stolen) so I'm not tied to a particular camera make or even cropped sensor.

My budget is £1500. I'm not stupid in thinking that a better camera will make a better photographer. But I'd like to get a quality piece of kit.

So.... what would you recommend? Do I go secondhand or new? Full frame or Crop? Canon or Nikon? Do I just get a cheaper body and invest in glass?

I'm currently consiering the 7D (despite rumours it will be replaced soon), but I like the D7100 too. But then I'm tempted to look at a budget full frame like the 6D or D600... but then do I really need any of these?

Would a 60D be a better option? or the new 700D for instance? and perhaps just invest in better glass.

Ideally would like to go with prime lenses. A 50mm and an 85mm perhaps. Just think it would suit my way of working.

Any and all advice would be massively appreciated. I really do feel like I'm going around in circles....


RGBphoto is off-lineSilver Member
17 June 2013 14:14
magpie1
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My thoughts would be that full frame has a higher level of 'future proofing' than cropped sensor, and your relatively modest (wise!) lens complement of 50 ( maybe consider 35?) and 85 ideal, you should be able to get excellent used examples of lenses for £400 ish the pair. Buying used FF body, now starting to get good numbers, 5D 2's are about for around £1k, new 6D's grey, about £1100. Only quoted Canon but similar for Nikon. You could look 'outside' big 2 and look at Sony (who make Nikon's sensors), lovely Zeiss lenses but pricey and less about, therefore more expensive.


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17 June 2013 14:38
Andy_B
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As a Canon owner, I think Nikon is making the running these days when it comes to quality mid range prime lenses. Canon spends too much time producing expensive exotica. The canon 85 f1.8 is good, but the rest either measure poorly, are too slow or too expensive.

I'd also consider non-SLR cameras like the Son NEX series. Sony makes the best sensors, and NEX is getting some tasty primes built for it.


RGBphoto is off-lineSilver Member
17 June 2013 14:47
magpie1
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DON'T want to start a fight, but can't quite agree about lenses, Canon 35mm f2, excellent, less than 200 used, 50 mm 1.4, always gets excellent ratings in all tests I've seen, £200-250 for mint examples.


17 June 2013 15:20
VinceM
Photographer


Thanks for the insight Andy - I will check out the Sony (out of curiosity mainly) and have to agree with you from reading online about how nikon are doing

Magpie - I think you've probably done me a huge favour. A 5dmk2 the 1.4 50mm and 1 other sounds like it would be a good workable solution. Only concern with getting a 2nd hand mk2 is the age of the camera and condition etc. it's so hard to bloody tell when buying remotely.


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17 June 2013 15:29
grahamsphotography
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It`s the lenses that count, for £1500 you could get yourself a decent Nikon D90 and some great glass via the second hand routes.


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17 June 2013 15:43
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Quote from magpie1
DON'T want to start a fight, but can't quite agree about lenses, Canon 35mm f2, excellent, less than 200 used, 50 mm 1.4, always gets excellent ratings in all tests I've seen, £200-250 for mint examples.



We'll have to agree to differ, magpie1.

35mm f2 has horrible bokeh wide open 

The 50mm f 1.4 is an ancient lens in desparate need of a re-hash (unlike Nikon's new 50mm). I sold mine... on my 5DII it was just too soft in the corners 'till f2.8 - and if you fast lens isn't sharp until f2.8 then what's the point? Tests back that up.

And Canon's newer mid-speed wide to normal lenses all have IS. £660 for a 28 f1.8? No thanks.


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18 June 2013 02:12
RedChecker
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Quote from Andy_B
We'll have to agree to differ, magpie1.



+1

I don't know what Canon are playing at but as a Canon owner I certainly wouldn't recommend them as a system to someone starting from scratch.  As you said Andy, their lenses are either desparately in need of new versions, are simply too damn expensive or utterly pointless (fish-eye zooms & IS on 'budget' wide angle lenses - WTF?!)

Even Sigma have realised this and are producing very good quality lenses to fill the gaps Canon are leaving in the market (I own two already and intend to own more - their new primes are astonishingly good)
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Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
18 June 2013 02:18
RedChecker
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Quote from VinceM
 A 5dmk2 the 1.4 50mm and 1 other sounds like it would be a good workable solution.



Canon's 50mm f1.4 isn't anything to rave over (and they break easily from what I've heard).  Sigma's 50mm f1.4 is a far superior lens IMO for not much more.
When you are dead, you do not know that you are dead. All of your pain is felt by others. The same thing happens when you are stupid.


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18 June 2013 03:11
scubie
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Back to normal, only two makes are ever recommended!!  There are other flavours.



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