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02 May 2013 02:07
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You talk the talk with your left wing propaganda but I never see you post any actual figures or solutions to the economic problems to back your arguments!



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ERhhhhhh No! -  But what was that about protecting the Triple A rating and deficit targets again? MwaaahhhHaHa!  Also - Still waiting for the 'March of the Makers' - But maybe I interpreted it wrong? - Did Baron Von George mean 'March of the Corporate Fat Cats on the Make? The Tories should keep that letter -  At this rate, they can send it back to Labour in 2015  - No doubt a Saudi Arabian wealth fund, will have bought the privatised Royal Mail by then - But will 'Gorgeous George' have the funds to buy the stamp?  






Good to see Dr Jivago took up your challenge with a clear and cogent discussion of his alternative economic policy!
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02 May 2013 02:38
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(1)  In 1997, the budget deficit was only £15.6 billion as a result of falling spending and growing economy under the previous Tory government... Then Nu Labour got in and kept to their spending polices and there was actually a budget surplus for the next 4 years - during that 4 year period, the total surplus was some £35.8 billion surplus.

Now we come to Brown's spending spree...not only did he spend the surplus of £35.8 but the combined figure for the years 2002 to 2010 racked up another £428.3 billion in deficit debt to fund social policies which when added to the £35.8 billion, adds up to  collossal £464.1 billion in budget deficit debts added to the already growing national debt! Brown's last budget deficit ( 2010) amounted to £156.3 billion ! - reduced to £99.5 billion in 2012!


(2)  Perhaps you should aquaint yourself with the note from Liam Byrne ( chief secretary to the treasury in 2010) left by convention to his successor... it read...

"'Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left,"

............arguments!




Tony, you have massively over simplified point 1 above.  And as for keeping to the Tory spending policies that is competely incorrect, if you actually go and have a look at the 1st month of New Labour you will see how they completely ignored the austerity measures...by the way the defict was something around the 50 billion mark, it all depends on whose figures your prepared to beleive  Also Employment was still on the up.

Point 2, I think you find that it was a tradition in the treasury to leave a note of that type.  It was the Tories who used it as  cheap political point scoring.  The type of politics they seem to have enjoyed regardless of obviously getting it wrong for the last 3 years.




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02 May 2013 05:35
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Tony, you have massively over simplified point 1 above.  And as for keeping to the Tory spending policies that is competely incorrect, if you actually go and have a look at the 1st month of New Labour you will see how they completely ignored the austerity measures...by the way the defict was something around the 50 billion mark, it all depends on whose figures your prepared to beleive  Also Employment was still on the up.

Point 2, I think you find that it was a tradition in the treasury to leave a note of that type.  It was the Tories who used it as  cheap political point scoring.  The type of politics they seem to have enjoyed regardless of obviously getting it wrong for the last 3 years.




Steve, by the time NL got into power the economy was growing so they didn't really have to do anything in the first four years and in 1998 the country had a surplus of £0.7 billion so that was hardly down to NL policies don't you agree?
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I agree that many figures can be manipulated to support an argument but in this case regarding deficit figures of spending and borrowing over the period from 2002 to 2010, the real answer will lie in the National Debt figures! Check those out as they are the true indicators.

From 1998 to 2008 the economy was doing ok so why did we have or need a growing deficit from 2002 onward? The fact was that Brown was running the economy and implimenting policies based on debt and living above the country's means to pay and he was relying upon consumer debt to fund his spending policies which all went wrong!

I would certainly agree that it was tradition for the Labour Party to leave a note like that for their successors, after all whenever Labour has left power, they had usually spent everything by then so the note wasn't too unexpected!wink
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02 May 2013 06:23
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Good to see Dr Jivago took up your challenge with a clear and cogent discussion of his alternative economic policy!



To be fair, the entire Labour party don't have an alternative plan yet, Little Ted is still waiting for Unite to tell he what he thinks.
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02 May 2013 06:31
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To be fair, the entire Labour party don't have an alternative plan yet, Little Ted is still waiting for Unite to tell he what he thinks.



Dear old jivvy is so far to the left of the Labour party - he's practically a fascist!  surprise

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02 May 2013 10:21
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Dear old jivvy is so far to the left of the Labour party - he's practically a fascist!  surprise




Awwww that's a bit unfair suggesting jivago is verging on being a fascist...he's probably just a National Socialist! Hang on...where have I heard that party name before?

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02 May 2013 17:32
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Her policy on apartheid was out of step with the vast majority, not to mention Nelson Mandela and the ANC amongst others.

That's a fact not an opinion.

Since when were her policies concerned with peoples welfare, certainly not with the old industrial centres of the North of England and Wales.

Oh you can have the last word if you like, after all we are only repeating what's been said many times



Actually, its not a fact, its popular and inaccurate opinion. Thatcher was an oponent of apartheit and was deeply involved in its demise. Her policies were concerned with peoples welfares. The majority of peoples welfares.
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02 May 2013 17:59
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Actually, its not a fact, its popular and inaccurate opinion. Thatcher was an oponent of apartheit and was deeply involved in its demise. Her policies were concerned with peoples welfares. The majority of peoples welfares.



Is this a serious discussion or are you having a laugh? Thatcher an opponent of apartheid?! You are kidding I hope!

http://mg.co.za/article/2013-04-19-00-margaret-thatchers-shameful-support-for-apartheid



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02 May 2013 18:51
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Thatcher an opponent of apartheid?! You are kidding I hope!



Hugh is a naughty person .

Educate yourself.

Margaret Thatcher’s vital role in ending apartheid

"My former boss Margaret Thatcher hated the South African apartheid system and became a good friend of Nelson Mandela...

...She famously declared the African National Congress to be a "terrorist" organisation, but she gave these "terrorists" diplomatic protection. In the mid 1980s the South African government blew up the ANC offices in London and tried to kidnap its members in London, including Thabo Mbeki and Oliver Tambo. She was obliged to provide armed bodyguards for their most senior officials....

... In a letter to Botha in October 1985 she wrote: "I continue to believe, as I have said to you before, that the release of Nelson Mandela would have more impact than almost any single action you could undertake."

from the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/10/margaret-thatcher-apartheid-mandela



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and:

"When [Mandela met Thatcher].... he paid tribute to the role she had played in helping to secure his release, saying that “we have much to thank her for”. On visits to London after Mrs Thatcher had left office, Mandela continued to make a point of seeing her to thank her for the role she had played. She had done more to promote peaceful change in southern Africa than all her predecessors combined."

From the Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9997714/Margaret-Thatchers-vital-role-in-ending-apartheid.html


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02 May 2013 19:12
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carshaltonkev is a naughty person . Educate yourself. Margaret Thatcher’s vital role in ending apartheid "My former boss Margaret Thatcher hated the South African apartheid system and became a good friend of Nelson Mandela... ...She famously declared the African National Congress to be a "terrorist" organisation, but she gave these "terrorists" diplomatic protection. In the mid 1980s the South African government blew up the ANC offices in London and tried to kidnap its members in London, including Thabo Mbeki and Oliver Tambo. She was obliged to provide armed bodyguards for their most senior officials.... ... In a letter to Botha in October 1985 she wrote: "I continue to believe, as I have said to you before, that the release of Nelson Mandela would have more impact than almost any single action you could undertake." from the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/10/margaret-thatcher-apartheid-mandela ************************* and: "When [Mandela met Thatcher].... he paid tribute to the role she had played in helping to secure his release, saying that “we have much to thank her for”. On visits to London after Mrs Thatcher had left office, Mandela continued to make a point of seeing her to thank her for the role she had played. She had done more to promote peaceful change in southern Africa than all her predecessors combined." From the Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9997714/Margaret-Thatchers-vital-role-in-ending-apartheid.html



It would appear that you are gullible enough to swallow the propaganda dished out by the Daily Telegraph. Writers there earn a very good living twisting the truth.

 
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