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Tony Stephenson is off-line
29 April 2013 02:55
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Yes but we don't need the same history lesson, repeated like a stuck groove in your 78rpm gramaphone collection

Put your hearing aid in! - It was Nick Clegg himself who called the Conservatives 'Enemies of progress' - He should know better than you or I - He has been in a bloody coalition with them for 3 years. Are you seriously going to contend that the concervatives are not:- Europhobe, homophobe on the back benches, economically winding the clock back to 1979  -What was that again about deficit targets surprise, A 'March of the Makers' surprise Triple A ratings? surprise How many U turns on Policy now is it? surprise You turn if want to - The Conservatives are sending us down the U bend!




Ok jivago, here's your chance to explain in detail why you believe that Conservatives are the enemies of progress!

As for defict targets....remind me which party was in power when the current levels of defict were racked up and why they were racked up?
Currently we're adding around £120 billion ( down from around £170 billion in 2010)  to the National Debt every year due to spending more than the government receives in tax revenues as a direct result of unaffordable policies of the previous government!
Perhaps we should just ignore it rather than do something about it which the last government did and continue with Nu Labour policies of borrow and spend and continue to mortgage  the future of our children and grandchildren?

Triple A ratings are based on debt and ability to repay...National Debt is currently around £1.3 TRILLION with other liabilities ( mostly related to bank bailouts) bring it to nearly £2.2 TRILLION! 
UK PLC isn't doing too well right now, mostly because projected revenues to pay the country's way and reduce the deficit were scuppered by the non-predicted meltdown in the EU which is still in crisis...the EU is a major trading partner and if trade is down with them, it affects tax revenues so what is the government supposed to do? Perhaps carry on blindly borrowing like the last government did and get the country even more into the red or try other methods if one fails?

Labour opposition - strong on criticism ....but short of ideas!




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Ok jivago, here's your chance to explain in detail why you believe that Conservatives are the enemies of progress!

As for defict targets....remind me which party was in power when the current levels of defict were racked up and why they were racked up?
Currently we're adding around £120 billion ( down from around £170 billion in 2010)  to the National Debt every year due to spending more than the government receives in tax revenues as a direct result of unaffordable policies of the previous government!
Perhaps we should just ignore it rather than do something about it which the last government did and continue with Nu Labour policies of borrow and spend and continue to mortgage  the future of our children and grandchildren?

Triple A ratings are based on debt and ability to repay...National Debt is currently around £1.3 TRILLION with other liabilities ( mostly related to bank bailouts) bring it to nearly £2.2 TRILLION! 
UK PLC isn't doing too well right now, mostly because projected revenues to pay the country's way and reduce the deficit were scuppered by the non-predicted meltdown in the EU which is still in crisis...the EU is a major trading partner and if trade is down with them, it affects tax revenues so what is the government supposed to do? Perhaps carry on blindly borrowing like the last government did and get the country even more into the red or try other methods if one fails?

Labour opposition - strong on criticism ....but short of ideas!







..."around £1.3 TRILLION with other liabilities ( mostly related to bank bailouts)"

 - YES!!!!!!!! At Last! - And not overspending (you have forgot a previous thread, where the actaul facts of spending were plotted on a graph).

UK PLC isn't doing too well right now, mostly because an idealogue chancellor, has strangulated demand in the economy - Against all advice and the lessons of experience. (Keynsian UK post war & USA 'The New Deal' etc).

Note:- You can't blame the European situation - They are trying the very same neo-con cutting agenda!

Conservatives led coalition, excellent at Thatcher's ideology -  jivago is a naughty person at the actual economy!



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29 April 2013 20:41
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Quote from jivago
..."around £1.3 TRILLION with other liabilities ( mostly related to bank bailouts)"

 - YES!!!!!!!! At Last! - And not overspending (you have forgot a previous thread, where the actaul facts of spending were plotted on a graph).

UK PLC isn't doing too well right now, mostly because an idealogue chancellor, has strangulated demand in the economy - Against all advice and the lessons of experience. (Keynsian UK post war & USA 'The New Deal' etc).

Note:- You can't blame the European situation - They are trying the very same neo-con cutting agenda!

Conservatives led coalition, excellent at Thatcher's ideology -  tonycsm is a naughty person at the actual economy!







What a really great Left Wing analysis you give of the current situation... it's about as much use as Anne Frank's drum-kit! 

In 1997, the budget deficit was only £15.6 billion as a result of falling spending and growing economy under the previous Tory government... Then Nu Labour got in and kept to their spending polices and there was actually a budget surplus for the next 4 years - during that 4 year period, the total surplus was some £35.8 billion surplus.

Now we come to Brown's spending spree...not only did he spend the surplus of £35.8 but the combined figure for the years 2002 to 2010 racked up another £428.3 billion in deficit debt to fund social policies which when added to the £35.8 billion, adds up to  collossal £464.1 billion in budget deficit debts added to the already growing national debt! Brown's last budget deficit ( 2010) amounted to £156.3 billion ! - reduced to £99.5 billion in 2012!

Do you have any comprehension whatsoever just what Brown's spending spree on his policies did to this country? From your arguments I think not!
The annual loan interest alone currently amounts to more than the whole of the Defence budget and he's mortgaged the taxpayers for the next two decades, so please don't crow on about how badly this government is doing...  
Perhaps you should aquaint yourself with the note from Liam Byrne ( chief secretary to the treasury in 2010) left by convention to his successor... it read...

"'Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left,"

That's what Nu Labour politicians did to this country! There is NO money...this government and the taxpayer are hamstrung with debts for the next 20 years and yes the economy is seriously affected by what is happening in the EU... they are major trading partners of UK PLC!

You talk the talk with your left wing propaganda but I never see you post any actual figures or solutions to the economic problems to back your arguments!
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Thought it was a hoax at first

Just seen on sky news that Maggie Thatcher has died.



Is she still dead, or do I need to buy some garlic?


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The more stuff i read from the Thatcher haters, the more I like her.

Now, im not right wing by any stretch of the imagination, and neither was she. Thatcher was more centre left than Blairs "new labour"

I think one of the reasons i liked Thatcher was having grown up under loony labour socialists and just as loony Tory toffs anyone who actually represented what the majority (and dont forget, however people try to spin it, it was the majority) of decent working people were about, was a breath of fresh air.

She,ll go down as one of histories great liberals and reformers however the lefties try to spin it.
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30 April 2013 10:35
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I can agree with some of what you say Ian,
but I have a hard time seeing the connection between Thatcherism and Liberalism, when you consider her policies on apartheid, the Poll Tax and dictators like General Pinochet.


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Quote from Northernlight07
I can agree with some of what you say Ian, but I have a hard time seeing the connection between Thatcherism and Liberalism, when you consider her policies on apartheid, the Poll Tax and dictators like General Pinochet.





Her policy onApartheid was that she didn't sgree with it, but to impose sanctions on the South African Government would hurt the poor South Africans far more than those in government, so that's the path she chose rather than just do what looked good.

The Community charge was an extremely fair system that was supposed to supercede the very unfair rateable value of homes.

General Pinochet may or may not have been an arsewipe, but he was a very good friend to Britain and aided our troops during the Falklands war.

There ya go, sorted it for ya.


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30 April 2013 12:25
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Her policy on apartheid was out of step with the vast majority, not to mention Nelson Mandela and the ANC amongst others.

That's a fact not an opinion.

Since when were her policies concerned with peoples welfare, certainly not with the old industrial centres of the North of England and Wales.

Oh you can have the last word if you like, after all we are only repeating what's been said many times


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Don't you mean the industrial dispute sites in the north and Wales.
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Quote from tonycsm
What a really great Left Wing analysis you give of the current situation... it's about as much use as Anne Frank's drum-kit! 

In 1997, the budget deficit was only £15.6 billion as a result of falling spending and growing economy under the previous Tory government... Then Nu Labour got in and kept to their spending polices and there was actually a budget surplus for the next 4 years - during that 4 year period, the total surplus was some £35.8 billion surplus.

Now we come to Brown's spending spree...not only did he spend the surplus of £35.8 but the combined figure for the years 2002 to 2010 racked up another £428.3 billion in deficit debt to fund social policies which when added to the £35.8 billion, adds up to  collossal £464.1 billion in budget deficit debts added to the already growing national debt! Brown's last budget deficit ( 2010) amounted to £156.3 billion ! - reduced to £99.5 billion in 2012!

Do you have any comprehension whatsoever just what Brown's spending spree on his policies did to this country? From your arguments I think not!
The annual loan interest alone currently amounts to more than the whole of the Defence budget and he's mortgaged the taxpayers for the next two decades, so please don't crow on about how badly this government is doing...  
Perhaps you should aquaint yourself with the note from Liam Byrne ( chief secretary to the treasury in 2010) left by convention to his successor... it read...

"'Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left,"

That's what Nu Labour politicians did to this country! There is NO money...this government and the taxpayer are hamstrung with debts for the next 20 years and yes the economy is seriously affected by what is happening in the EU... they are major trading partners of UK PLC!

You talk the talk with your left wing propaganda but I never see you post any actual figures or solutions to the economic problems to back your arguments!




ERhhhhhh No! -  But what was that about protecting the Triple A rating and deficit targets again? MwaaahhhHaHa! surprise Also - Still waiting for the 'March of the Makers' - But maybe I interpreted it wrong? - Did Baron Von George mean 'March of the Corporate Fat Cats on the Make? The Tories should keep that letter -  At this rate, they can send it back to Labour in 2015 surprise - No doubt a Saudi Arabian wealth fund, will have bought the privatised Royal Mail by then - But will 'Gorgeous George' have the funds to buy the stamp?  surprise

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