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Hugh is off-lineGold Member
18 April 2013 05:49
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This was sent to me from a fellow Scot, some members may enjoy it.



A Poem for the Death of Thatcher

 

When Thatcher dies, I’ll close my eyes and take some time to send,

a thought on how she lived her life and how she met her end.

I’ll offer up to lifeless skies a final contemplation,

of one who crucified a land through mad determination.

I’ve waited for this news so long, my patience has been tried.

But now the day and hour has come: she’s dead and I’m alive.

I’ve waited years for happy news of final destination.

The single trip of one who ruled with spite and desperation.

I hope she likes her lonely boat to where the fallen dwell.

I hope the hinges do not squeak when close the gates of Hell.

I know it will be warm down there, for Satan has his pride.

He lights an incandescent flame, for friends of his who’ve died.

He likes to keep the fires stoked and burning night and day.

His daemons work with strength and zest to keep the cold at bay.

They love their job; they toil with glee, down in the constant gloom.

They’ll make sure Margaret doesn’t chill when cloistered in her tomb.

She’ll have the warmth to ponder long on all her schemes and lies.

The daemons never dim the flames, for they weren’t privatised.

So farewell Iron Lady now: your memories are black.

The Gates of Hades firmly shut: the Devil wants you back.

The Hounds of Hell are on their mark: they’re restless for a run.

They haven’t fed since Reagan came: they’re pining for the gun.

With luck a creeping fear will call, and chill your very soul.

A dread like those you sent abroad when killing steel and coal.

So taste the air that Satan shares, and peer into the gloom.

The dogs of war are on your scent: they’ll rush you to your doom.

Don’t try to leave, for this is home: don’t try to dodge or run.

The pups are only passing shades of cruelties you’ve done.

The viciousness deep in your heart: the well of poisoned thoughts.

They came with you as company for Lucifer’s dark sports.

I’d like to offer you some hope, some dream of charity.

Some recompense for how you looked on our society.

Oh dear, it seems you haven’t much writ down that stands for good.

You weren’t as nice, when Tory boss as fate says that you should.

An iron heel, on iron boot: an iron will so strong.

A people longing for some hope ‘gainst punishments so long.

But kindness wasn’t in your heart: you lusted for the fight.

You swept away all that was good, and turned our day to night.

So fiendish canines, do your work: I hope your teeth are keen.

Give her the quarter she gave us: and nothing in between.

So snap and grind and yelp and bawl and bite and tear and munch.

We veterans of Thatcher’s fight are sure you’ll like your lunch.

She gave us greed and selfishness: she taught us wrong was right.

She gave us generations new, who didn’t give a light.

But that is gone. Your dreams are done: regained our will to think.

The Reaper’s polished off his work: from him you could not shrink.

I hope he smiled when you breathed last, I hope his scythe was slow.

I hope you cried, when in his eyes you saw where you would go.

One final laugh, one final sound, his striking blade does peal.

Farewell from all of us you scorned: it’s forged from Scottish steel.




Dear God, where's your stiff upper lip man!
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18 April 2013 07:46
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They burnt her yesterday. What more is there to say. I'm guessing you don't regard the continued discussions about the disgustingly expensive charade as a positive story. What irony that the rising unemployment figures were announced during the ceremony.



The figure quoted by the left as to the cost of the funeral is highly questionable - not surprisingly she was far more respected overseas and the funeral was viewed by millions worldwide...far from costing this country money, the spectacle would have been good for the British image and essentially good for tourism... So not all bad, eh!frown

Regarding the unemployment figures. You mean it went back up to similar levels when the last government was in power? Remember, although there was the financial crisis, Nu Labour didn't also have to contend with the Eurozone meltdown which clearly has had knock on effects which have depressed this country's economic growth and was bound to affect the jobless total!

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18 April 2013 13:15
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Dear God, where's your stiff upper lip man!



I've sent it out to be shaven, my current man servant is a little unsteady with the cut-throat razor    

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I think you will find that 4 million people who wanted jobs but were put out of work didn't think much of her. Many of these were Scots. Maybe you are counting these amongst your 'workshy'. Did she have a more positive view of the Scots than she did of the Irish. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10001423/Lady-Thatcher-warned-the-Irish-are-all-liars-says-Lord-Mandelson.html I rather think that she regarded anyone who wasn't English to be damn foreigners. But don't let that bother you as she was generally much more liked by foreigners.







Ahh Mandelson, the guru of truth. Poor old "sullenfaces" really has got it bad if he believes anything coming out of "honest Pete's" mouth.
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18 April 2013 14:11
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Just reading an interesting fact, at the end of the Tory Government we did not have a single University ranked in the top 20 in the world.

By the 2nd election of Blair we had 3 in the top 20.

Today it was reported on the Politics lunchtime show that 290,000 people have had to use a food bank. from 40,000 2 years ago.



Dont blame me..i voted for the other lot :)


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Just reading an interesting fact, at the end of the Tory Government we did not have a single University ranked in the top 20 in the world. By the 2nd election of Blair we had 3 in the top 20. Today it was reported on the Politics lunchtime show that 290,000 people have had to use a food bank. from 40,000 2 years ago.



Steve, regarding the point you made about 290,000 using food banks as opposed to 40,000 two years ago.
Whilst it's certainly not ideal for anyone to be in receipt of food parcels, there are many reasons why they do, so the figures are not as simple as they first appear!

Those in receipt have to be referred to food banks either by the various social agencies or via the job centre. Around half of all those in receipt of food bank parcels are actually as a result of delay in benefit claims payments or changes to the benefits they are entitled to receive which delays payment and  requires food bank intervention but doesn't necessarily mean they are unable to afford to live in normal circumstances - it just means they temporarily need help.
  
Social agencies also err on the side of caution where families are concerned so will on occasions refer those who are really not entitled but are approaching the borderline in the tick-boxes.

Agencies also refer those who have got into financial difficulty through irresponsible financial management of their own wages or benefits which is nothing to do with this or any government
There is also the abuse of the system by a minority which has been documented on TV but which also inflates the figures for those in receipt.

Surprisingly, one group who are finding it most difficult to afford to live and in receipt of food parcels are those NOT on benefits - it's those who are on low wages and not entitled to receive benefits who have the biggest struggle...when working people are worse off than those on benefits it reinforces the argument that working should pay!

It's also worth noting that the Coalition, since they took office have made increases in personal allowances and will have taken 2.7 million out of paying any tax whatsoever by 2015 which is certainly better for the lowest earners than Brown removing the 10p basic tax rate, so they are trying to help those at the bottom who are in work.
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19 April 2013 01:33
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Steve, regarding the point you made about 290,000 using food banks as opposed to 40,000 two years ago.
Whilst it's certainly not ideal for anyone to be in receipt of food parcels, there are many reasons why they do, so the figures are not as simple as they first appear!

Those in receipt have to be referred to food banks either by the various social agencies or via the job centre. Around half of all those in receipt of food bank parcels are actually as a result of delay in benefit claims payments or changes to the benefits they are entitled to receive which delays payment and  requires food bank intervention but doesn't necessarily mean they are unable to afford to live in normal circumstances - it just means they temporarily need help.
  
Social agencies also err on the side of caution where families are concerned so will on occasions refer those who are really not entitled but are approaching the borderline in the tick-boxes.

Agencies also refer those who have got into financial difficulty through irresponsible financial management of their own wages or benefits which is nothing to do with this or any government
There is also the abuse of the system by a minority which has been documented on TV but which also inflates the figures for those in receipt.

Surprisingly, one group who are finding it most difficult to afford to live and in receipt of food parcels are those NOT on benefits - it's those who are on low wages and not entitled to receive benefits who have the biggest struggle...when working people are worse off than those on benefits it reinforces the argument that working should pay!

It's also worth noting that the Coalition, since they took office have made increases in personal allowances and will have taken 2.7 million out of paying any tax whatsoever by 2015 which is certainly better for the lowest earners than Brown removing the 10p basic tax rate, so they are trying to help those at the bottom who are in work.






Tony, Im glad you mentioned the first point I have put in bold.  this is a direct result of having no Unions, thankfully at least Blair gave a minimum wage which now neeeds increasing (pay a wage that gets people off benefits!)

Which leads into the second point .why are people going to give up their benefits when the wages are so poor (the Tories sell it as Benefits too high).

Dont blame me..i voted for the other lot :)


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19 April 2013 01:57
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Just reading an interesting fact, at the end of the Tory Government we did not have a single University ranked in the top 20 in the world. By the 2nd election of Blair we had 3 in the top 20. 



Surely that simply proves that it takes more than four years for new government policy and change to kick in?

Which also proves that the RedChecker is a naughty person we're in now is still all Labour's doing.
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19 April 2013 08:49
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Tony, Im glad you mentioned the first point I have put in bold.  this is a direct result of having no Unions, thankfully at least Blair gave a minimum wage which now neeeds increasing (pay a wage that gets people off benefits!)

Which leads into the second point .why are people going to give up their benefits when the wages are so poor (the Tories sell it as Benefits too high).




Funny, I thought there were trades unions still around Steve??? Who represents the 1/5th of the total British workforce in the Public Sector?sad
I know what you're driving at of course but if the unions still had the same power they had in the 1960-70's, they would simply have priced everyone out of a job in this day and age.
Surprisingly, I'm not unsympathetic with most of what you say  but where we differ is in ideology and the solutions to the problems.

I have many friends and aquaintances drawn from different ethnic backgrounds, many from the Middle East, India, Africa and Eastern Europe, some labourers, some shop workers, health service workers, business owners and even a retired Middle Eastern diplomat who have all come to Britain to live.
They all rave about this country, saying just what a wonderful country this is and what it offers, in fact those who've settled here are far more enthusiastically  "British" than many of the indiginous population if you get my meaning! They really do love this country and what it stands for and has to offer!

However, they all also say one thing even though they to my knowledge, have all never met...they say that this country has been far too generous with benefit handouts over the years which has made a slice of the population very lazy...these are not my comments, or comments of rank and file Tory members or anti-socialists, these are comments of people from other nations who have come here to live, work and prosper and by jove they do through hard work and not through state handouts!

The Pollish workers I know for instance, all work damned hard and none that I know are out of work and receiving benefits...they came here and do the jobs that many Brits can't be @rsed to get out of bed and do - Brits who would rather be unemployed and claim benefits than do what immigrant workers do. If numerous skilled and unskilled Polish economic migrants can come here and find work, then the jobs must have been there in the fist place...I often hear British unemployed complaining about foreign workers taking their jobs...well then why not get out there and compete with them?

No one believes in helping the genuine needy and those who are unable to help themselves more than myself but, effectively paying people not to work or slapping huge taxes on the wages or profits of those who provide the jobs or are sucessful is not going to solve Britain's current problems...all that will do is increase unemployment, drag the prosperity of everyone down and make it even more difficult for those at the bottom.

A benefits system where a proportion of society are given just enough to live on over an extended period without the need to or ecouragement to work, far from helping them in the long term, is creating a sub-class with no aspirations and effectively keeping them locked in a poverty trap!
I'm not talking about those former hard workers who have fallen on hard times through no fault of their own or genuinely can't find a job, they are deserving of help. I'm talking about those who choose benefits as a lifestyle choice and who live their lives accordingly and who see no need to get out of the situation and work to improve their situations as benefits will prop up their lifestyle no matter how meagre it may be. When someone on benefits can live in a far better home than low or even reasonably paid workers because of housing benefits etc, then the time is right to address the problem and make work pay.

I'm quite sure that you will disagree Steve as I'm sure so too will others  but until there is sufficient labour/manpower shortages in the workplace which will only come about through job creation, then wages won't rise for the lower paid.... labour shortages in the private sector automatically generate higher wages - increasing benefits only serves to suppress the need for aspirations in the long term.

How one creates 'real' jobs in today's current economic climate is quite another thing and beyond the scope of this or previous governments and the crop of available politicians if results are anything to go by...however it will only come about if the goods or services these jobs produce are in demand both in this country and on the world markets...creating jobs just for the sake of it and without the markets to justify ithem is certainly not the answer!



 

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"Baroness Thatcher's funeral cost us 6p each"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/10018982/Baroness-Thatchers-funeral-cost-us-6p-each.html

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