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09 April 2013 06:57
Marty_W
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Quote from RedChecker
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he have a major role to play in the Church Street Bombing (among others) in 1983 where 19 people were killed and 217 wounded?



Whether for the right reasons or not, that would still be seen as terrorism in most people's eyes.



One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Who's done more damage to the world
Mandela or Thatcher? Who is more respected Mandela or Thatcher?
Was Thatcher linked/friends with high profile terrorist?


Kevin W is off-lineSilver Member
09 April 2013 07:03
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The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that we are in today. Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family; of why there is a shortage of decent affordable housing; of why domestic growth is driven by credit, not by real incomes; of why tax-payers are forced to top up wages; of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom; of why Rupert Murdoch became so powerful; of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of our society.

What a legacy!
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09 April 2013 07:30
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The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that we are in today. Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family; of why there is a shortage of decent affordable housing; of why domestic growth is driven by credit, not by real incomes; of why tax-payers are forced to top up wages; of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom; of why Rupert Murdoch became so powerful; of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of our society. What a legacy!



All the ills of modern life are laid at the feet of a woman whose last day as PM was 28 November 1990. And yet critics of the current Coaliation (see up thread) think all the wrongs of the Labour administration (1997-2010) can be corrected in three years by the current Coalition or else they've failed

What great joined up thinking! 

It was broken when I got here


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09 April 2013 07:43
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All the ills of modern life are laid at the feet of a woman whose last day as PM was 28 November 1990. And yet critics of the current Coaliation (see up thread) think all the wrongs of the Labour administration (1997-2010) can be corrected in three years by the current Coalition or else they've failed

What great joined up thinking! 




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09 April 2013 07:49
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Only been in hell a day and rumour has it she's shut down a dozen furnaces already.
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09 April 2013 07:50
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Quote from DorsetHammer
All the ills of modern life are laid at the feet of a woman whose last day as PM was 28 November 1990. And yet critics of the current Coaliation (see up thread) think all the wrongs of the Labour administration (1997-2010) can be corrected in three years by the current Coalition or else they've failed

What great joined up thinking! 




Yes I would agree with all of those on the right who say that Thatcher had a very profound affect on this country; that has influenced us right up until the present day. Thatcher laid the foundations of modern Britain.

If you use the time argument, you could argue that anything Hitler did in 1939-45 is now too far in the past to have any significance today?!  Or that whatever Beeching did to the railways in the 1960s has no affect on them today, because it was decades ago.

Thatcher was a "punk politician". She ripped everything up. Sold off all the nation's assets. Blair and Brown still incorporated "Thatcherism" into their political thinking. They must have thought there was something worthwhile in Thatcherism, probably because they lived through her era and some of her ideas became accepted political thinking? I cannot imagine Attlee doing likewise.     

As in life, so in a game of hazard, skill will make something of the worst of throws.


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09 April 2013 07:56
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Quote from DorsetHammer
All the ills of modern life are laid at the feet of a woman whose last day as PM was 28 November 1990. And yet critics of the current Coaliation (see up thread) think all the wrongs of the Labour administration (1997-2010) can be corrected in three years by the current Coalition or else they've failed



What great joined up thinking! 






Bizarre rubbish.

Blair carried on with Thatcher's move to a society which lauds greed and selfishness, he just did it with more subtly. Thatcher sold off everything that didn't move (It was Major that sold off the railways), so now all our essential services are owned by foreign governments (such as EDF or SNCF) or other investors who have no interest in anything but extracting money (like the demi-god Branson)
Cameron and his cohorts continue to take advantage of Thatcher's legacy taking money from the under privileged and giving more to those who have the most. The poor are blamed for Landlords and international corporations who are dependent on state handouts which are paid to them in state benefits. Meanwhile the intermediaries who accept the benefits and pass them to the real scroungers are blamed for their lack of economic and political power.

It's ironic that on here the same people bleating about their inability to earn any money from photography are often the same people that think the unholy alliance of Thatcher and Murdock did society a favour by smashing the power of the unions. So now publications won't pay for stuff which the NUJ used to be able to demand that everyone was paid a reasonable rate and that jolly amateurs couldn't undercut those who needed to feed their children by getting their photos published.
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09 April 2013 08:22
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Quote from carshaltonkev
Yes I would agree with all of those on the right who say that Thatcher had a very profound affect on this country; that has influenced us right up until the present day. Thatcher laid the foundations of modern Britain.

If you use the time argument, you could argue that anything Hitler did in 1939-45 is now too far in the past to have any significance today?!  Or that whatever Beeching did to the railways in the 1960s has no affect on them today, because it was decades ago.

Thatcher was a "punk politician". She ripped everything up. Sold off all the nation's assets. Blair and Brown still incorporated "Thatcherism" into their political thinking. They must have thought there was something worthwhile in Thatcherism, probably because they lived through her era and some of her ideas became accepted political thinking? I cannot imagine Attlee doing likewise.     




I agree about the passing of time, and I'm not an apologist for her, but some of the 'evils' she has been labelled with may have come along anyway.

Take selling off council houses, originally a Labour idea and then put on the back burner because it was considered to be an electoral liability - even the Labour manifesto of 1979 states that social housing will be sold off where it doesn't cause shortages. She's referred to as 'the milk snatcher' but the previous and subsequent Labour Governments both withdrew free milk, she was given a choice by Ted Heath either close libraries or withdraw free milk at primary schools. People go on about mining towns destroyed, yet Labour closed more pits whilst in office then Conservative Governments did. Under Harold Wilson a coal pit closed every week and 1969 was the last year that Britain actually produced more coal than it imported.  Unions systematically destroyed the steel, coal, shipbuilding and railway industries through sheer protectionism - and before any mud slinging begins as the grandson and great grandson of shop stewards I am well aware of what Unions did to achieve their power.

What she wanted to do though was try and get people away from depending on the state. It wasn't all Basildon man though as anybody who owned property during the late eighties will remember the 17% interest rates or the fact that we had South American style rates of inflation at one point - an eye watering 18% in 1980.


Incidentally Beeching was to a certain extent a stooge, his boss was was Ernest Marples whose civil engineering companies benefitted directly from railways being closed and roads built in their place. That said Beeching was responsible for both Freightliner and Inter City and in both cases he had to fight union opposition.
It was broken when I got here


09 April 2013 09:45
Marty_W
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What also gets me with Thatcher is people admire her as she's a woman! So what!
I can think of loads of inspirational women.
Florence Nightingale- a fantastic nurse something the Tories have killed off by
destroying the NHS.
Diane Fossey- amazing conservation work, with out her would we have any gorillas left?
Unlike Tories/Thatcher that have no respect for nature, let's cull badgers, let's support *gets on
high horse* jumped up pricks wearing a red jacket chasing a fox with hounds to rip it apart.
*gets off high horse*
The Spice Girls- ........
Mother Teresa- a fantastic lady with care and compassion, Tories/Thatcher don't give a f*ck unless
you're minted and will donate.

Next we'll be saying how great Louise Mensh is :s


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09 April 2013 09:47
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Our industries seemed to be concentrated in certain areas with the result that while some parts of the country continued to prosper other part were decimated. Other countries at the time seemed to have a plan to ease the decline of industry in a way that didn't cause this decimation. Thatcher OTOH simply didn't care and that is the one overriding facet of her personalty, she simply didn't give a monkey's about the people who were affected by her policies and left whole communities to rot. Whole generations then grew up knowing little but unskilled low paid jobs or the dole. That is her legacy and the reason why even to this day she is hated in certain parts.



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