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The Edgy Issue of Payment?

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Paul Berry is off-line
28 January 2013 07:31
PB001
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Peterlee

I am noticing more and more casting calls, from models requiring payment from the photographers?  Unless my eyesight is flawed there are no casting calls from photographers requiring payment from models. (I may have missed any that're out there somewhere)

I appreciate that both model and photographer both need to earn a living in their chosen craft, but models please understand that it is equally justified for a photographer to ask for payment too, we are not charities and we too have studio overheads, equipment costs, marketing budgets, insurance costs, and more to pay for every year.

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Matt Harper is off-line
28 January 2013 07:59
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This will be interesting


Jen Somerfield ♥ is off-lineGold Member
28 January 2013 08:02
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Why don't you put up a paid casting call then?


28 January 2013 08:06
_Maz_
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Why don't you put up a paid casting call then?


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Oliver Cook is off-line
28 January 2013 08:18
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PB001 you are totally correct, in principle - the problem is that this is not an 'industry' that is sustainable or that even 'works' for the vast majority of image creators. Images are becoming worthless money-wise (I know there will always be exceptions, but I am generalising to make the point), and this will become more so as technology moves on, people expectations for free stuff get even more prolific and the accumulation of images in existence creeps above all imaginable volumes.


Neil Anderson is off-line
28 January 2013 08:40
stolenfaces
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West London

Quote from PB001
I am noticing more and more casting calls, from models requiring payment from the photographers?  Unless my eyesight is flawed there are no casting calls from photographers requiring payment from models. (I may have missed any that're out there somewhere)

I appreciate that both model and photographer both need to earn a living in their chosen craft, but models please understand that it is equally justified for a photographer to ask for payment too, we are not charities and we too have studio overheads, equipment costs, marketing budgets, insurance costs, and more to pay for every year.






It's a market - people buy and sell according to the market. This is not really a site for professional photographers - whilst there are some professional photographers of models on this site, most of them are working in the adult market. There are apparently lots of professional photographers on this site but most of them don't specialise in model photography or make any income from model photography.

This site and others on the internet help to operate an efficient market. There are plenty of photographers (many competent) who are prepared to photograph models for no charge so why would a model pay for photos which are no more likely to be competent. I think photographers who get money off modelling hopefuls are more likely to get money from girls who have no hope of getting anywhere (but with delusions of fame and fortune) - whilst there may be some on here these 'models' can be found easier on Facebook where there is less sensible advice.

Like any dealer he was watching for the card that is so high and wild he'll never need to deal another...


Paul Berry is off-line
28 January 2013 08:51
PB001
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PB001
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County Durham
Peterlee

I don't consider TFP/TFCD to be the swapping of something for FREE, I consider it an equal exchange of a chargeable skill.

If I want a models time and skill I have no problem with paying for it, that payment comes via said model accepting my time and skill in exchange. As Artistoli mentions above we are fast becoming an unsustainable industry.

I work mainly in the commercial area, working for businesses and companies for their marketing purposes, when those assignments lend themselves to the bringing in of models, then I am quite happy to pay whatever going rate happens to apply. Sadly I'm finding ever more so that companies are cutting costs across the board too and will not budget for such perceived extravagance, even though I often suggest they do.

For these reasons I perceive I may be considered an observant outsider, having need of models as much as everyone else on this forum, still as I've said I don't consider any models time and skill as less valuable as my own so consider TFCD/TFP an equitable transaction just as valuable as cash.

Certainly NOT as a FREEBIE each way.
I’m a Pro commercial portrait photographer from the East Coast of Durham; I'm seriously crazy about photography, have been for a thousand years! I joined here to experience the dark side *smile*


Bob is off-linePlatinum Member
28 January 2013 08:55
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Honiton

Most photographers on sites like this who expect models will offer to pay them are possibly as delusional as the fantasist who dreams that the prettiest girl in the nightclub will buy his drink when the place is full of other guys more than willing to keep her glass full for little more than a flutter of her eyelashes in their direction.

Methinks somebody needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

Bob


28 January 2013 09:34
1919_Images
Photographer


These sites are really set up for amateur photographers and models to work together and in that scenario its only the models likely to get paid, there are professionals on both sides here but they are a minority.
I've noticed that a good number of photographers who manage to progress through to the standard where some models consider them worth paying for portfolio shoots leave sites like this altogether, I dont know why as I'm not in that position but perhaps that explains why there arent many photographers getting paid by models on here.


Megan Reynolds is off-line
28 January 2013 10:01
LadylikeMedia
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LadylikeMedia
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Bristol
Bristol

Generally if I'm making money from the shoot I pay the model, if I'm not (ie its for arts sake) I TF*.



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