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Casting Images

13 January 2013 09:04
mgphotomedia
Photographer


I'm sure you've heard it many times on the forum but one of the biggest frustrations when trying to award paid work to models is the nightmare of getting her to supply suitable casting images that will potentially enable the client to approve her. I estimate that in excess 90% of the models that apply for such work do not progress any further simply because of the lack of suitable images.

It seems to me that a set of casting images might easily be shot to an agreed specification and of course there's no requirement for editing. So in theory if a network of studios existed throughout the UK each of whom supplied say a dozen images on a memory stick shot to that specification then this seemingly universal problem might be solved easily and relatively cheaply.

But of course there will be a cost - I'm talking about commercial studios providing a professional service rather than Joe Bloggs using his garden shed or spare room as a makeshift studio.

My question, obviously directed at models, is if this service was available locally what would you be prepared to pay for a set of casting images assuming they'd be supplied to you on a memory stick immediately after the shoot?

Obviously there's no point in taking this further if models are either unwilling to pay anything at all or if the amount they're willing to pay is insuffiecient to encourage a studio to offer the service.

What do you think - £0, £25, £50, £100, £200, more?

NB for the purpose of this discussion casting images consist of hi-res full body standing nudes (front, back and sides), headshots (front and sides) and close ups of all scars, tattoos, piercings, marks and blemishes.


John Tritton is off-line
13 January 2013 09:26
peacock
Photographer
peacock
Location
United Kingdom
Kent
Ashford

How often would models have to get the images done so that they are current? every six months,1 year, 18 months,2 years?

Just my two penne'th.
Looking forward with a bare behind


Ariana Wood is off-line
13 January 2013 10:28
ArianaWood
Model

Location
United Kingdom
Kent
Maidstone

I would expect this shoot to last to a maximum of 2 hours, so I would probably pay £50 max.


Missie is off-line
13 January 2013 12:27
Missie0290
Model
Missie0290
Location
United Kingdom
Merseyside
Newton-le-Willows

Can someone clear something up for me. What is the difference between what you're talking about and the images agencies ask for for casting - Some of those ask for only snapshots taken on a digital camera and won't accept pro pics.

I'm confused about the whole thing.

I was thinking of putting some clear snapshots of myself up but then people keep mentioning things like this and i don't know if i'd be doing it wrong and don't want to look like a tit.
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13 January 2013 12:30
Tansy_Blue
Model


Probably nothing. I have a decent camera at home which my boyfriend can shoot passable casting shots on, and the last time I was was asked for casting images shots from that camera shot at home were completely sufficient.

I get asked for casting images very rarely, no more than once every six months, so I get casting images done for a specific shoot, hence it would count as expenses attached to that shoot. If I paid £50 for casting images for a a full day shoot which I normally charge £150 for, then I'd only be making £100 that day even before you factor in travel expenses. Which is quite a big hit.

If I was asked for casting images two or three times a month I would probably be willing to pay £20ish for a studio session doing casting shots. As I would need to get casting images done pretty much every month (they're useless if they're not very recent) I wouldn't be able to afford much more. And as I reckon the shoot would take about 15 minutes with no processing and simple lighting, it isn't as little as it sounds.
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Paul Hodson is off-line
13 January 2013 12:35
mph
Photographer
mph
Location
United Kingdom
Cheshire
Crewe

Quote from Tansy_Blue
Probably nothing. I have a decent camera at home which my boyfriend can shoot passable casting shots on, and the last time I was was asked for casting images shots from that camera shot at home were completely sufficient. I get asked for casting images very rarely, no more than once every six months, so I get casting images done for a specific shoot, hence it would count as expenses attached to that shoot. If I paid £50 for casting images for a a full day shoot which I normally charge £150 for, then I'd only be making £100 that day even before you factor in travel expenses. Which is quite a big hit. If I was asked for casting images two or three times a month I would probably be willing to pay £20ish for a studio session doing casting shots. As I would need to get casting images done pretty much every month (they're useless if they're not very recent) I wouldn't be able to afford much more. And as I reckon the shoot would take about 15 minutes with no processing and simple lighting, it isn't as little as it sounds.



I can't imagine you would have much trouble adding them on to the end of a shoot anyway if you wanted some. Not a lot of trouble for someone to shoot a handful of such images surely? (and lots of GWCs would do it for the thrill of seeing you naked anyway!)

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Iain Thomson is off-linePlatinum Member
13 January 2013 13:52
IainT
Photographer
IainT
Location
United Kingdom
Bedfordshire


Quote from mph
I can't imagine you would have much trouble adding them on to the end of a shoot anyway if you wanted some. Not a lot of trouble for someone to shoot a handful of such images surely? (and lots of GWCs would do it for the thrill of seeing you naked anyway





casting images ( or the lack thereof) are my biggest issue with models. I would say on average between 3 and 5 models every month lose potentially bet £300 and £1200 each in paid work due to lack of suitable images.

Having said this, it is absolutely unrealistic to expect models to pay for casting images, they need to be renewed at least every 2 months or when there is any change, ie hairstyle,tattoos etc. most photographers won't have a problem doing a set at the end of a shoot, I wouldn't anyway, but equally a friend can do them or they could even be self taken. Although there are casting images and casting images. For instance if I take them, it immediately increases the chances of the model getting work from the people I shoot for.
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Peter Hague is off-line
13 January 2013 13:57
PeterH
Photographer
PeterH
Location
United Kingdom
South Yorkshire


A decent phonecam in a well lit place, done in a couple of minutes.

They're easily done, but as most of us who require them find, getting the model to actually do them and send them is where it breaks down.

Likewise, I'd have no problem doing them on a shoot if the model asked.
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Jen Somerfield ♥ is off-lineGold Member
13 January 2013 14:06
JenSomerfield
Model
JenSomerfield
Location
United Kingdom
Bristol
Bristol

Nothing. I've never been asked for any. If I really needed some I know people that wouldn't mind spending up to 5 mins at the end of the shoot as a favour to me, it's not like they'd need editing. Or even a digital camera at home would do the job.


Peter Hague is off-line
13 January 2013 14:18
PeterH
Photographer
PeterH
Location
United Kingdom
South Yorkshire


Quote from Missie0290
Can someone clear something up for me. What is the difference between what you're talking about and the images agencies ask for for casting - Some of those ask for only snapshots taken on a digital camera and won't accept pro pics. I'm confused about the whole thing. I was thinking of putting some clear snapshots of myself up but then people keep mentioning things like this and i don't know if i'd be doing it wrong and don't want to look like a tit.



Basically, what we want when we ask for casting images or doctor shots are simple, unprocessed, unedited images that show us what *you* look like, not what some photographer, make-up artist and retoucher has turned you into. We want these because our clients will only usually make a decision based on them.

All you need do is stand up straight, arms by your sides, take a pic. turn to each side and take a pic, and one from the back too. Move your hair if it looks like you could be hiding something. Then a normal passport photo pose for face shot. There you go, you now have all the pics you need to send to people who ask for casting shots.

Agood quality phonecam or a snapshot cam, a well lit place with a not too distracting bacground, and a friend to do it is all you need. You can ask a photograher on a shoot if they'd mind repeating them for you, but remember to remove any shoot make-up before doing that.
"I am the one who knocks" - Walter White



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