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Mike Naylor is off-line
10 December 2012 05:53
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Quote from LaurenceJPower
Finally, a thought, if you charged them the correct rate for the job, you could then donate the money back to them and claim "gift aid" thus they would benefit from the tax in addition.



Why should she donate the money back to the charity, she is doing a job she should be paid accordingly, a charity is a business just like any other!


Laurence Power is off-line
10 December 2012 06:20
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The choice is entirely hers, you will note that I used the word "could". What she could do is charge har normal fee plus expenses, then donate whatever she wanted back to the charity, allowing them to get the benefit of basic rate tax.
Laurence J. Power


Spike is off-line
10 December 2012 08:06
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A good policy on working for freecan be found here http://shouldiworkforfree.com/

As has been said a lot of the larger charitees are very well off & pay ther employees fairly well, others are not so lucky.

My personal view is there are a couple of small charitees I actively support for personal reasons & I do their PR photography for free - they both offer to pay my expenses but I choose not to take them.

When other charitees have approached me I  quote the job at normal rates - some pay, others give me  the " we're a charittee can't you do it for free" to which I reply with the question does the person booking me work for free - in every case they have been salaried employees so I simply suggest when they work for free I will. smiley
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Ian Payne is off-line
10 December 2012 08:41
extra_mayo
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There's only 1 word you need to absorb here.

"

exploitation

"

(selfish utilization)



Ian


10 December 2012 11:43
David_Liddell
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All charities should have a policy document that states how they handle receipted / agreed out of pocket expenses. Obtain a copy of their policy and follow it.

Anything over and above receipted / agreed out of pocket expenses on a regular basis could be viewed as a wage and an implied contract of employment. Charities are very reluctant to pay any sums that could be construed as wages.
It is important to the charity that it is seen to ‘pay their way’ especially when it comes to volunteers who are the life blood of any charity.

Do not feel guilty about claiming genuine expenses. Don’t fall for the social pressure of donating the funds back to the charity. That can cause the charity peer pressure problems and the loss of dedicated volunteers who simply can not afford to do the same.

In short, get their policy document and follow it. Claim genuine receipted / agreed out of pocket expenses. It your money keep it.

Best regards
David


Mike Naylor is off-line
10 December 2012 11:58
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Quote from David_Liddell
Anything over and above receipted / agreed out of pocket expenses on a regular basis could be viewed as a wage and an implied contract of employment. Charities are very reluctant to pay any sums that could be construed as wages.



No disrespect but this piece of advice is nonsense, The OP is an indipendant self employed contractor how could that ever be an implied contract of employment unless she worked for the charity exclusivly with no other clients!

As per my previous post almost all charities pay wages to staff and we are talking a real wage not out of pocket expenses.

Just to put things in perspective heres what the Chief execs take as a salary:

Charity Chief executive Latest salary in £s (plus benefits but excluding pensions) Salary in £s for the previous year Pay rise (%) Income £m Amount in £s spent on chief exec's pay for every £1,000 of income
Action for Blind People *1 Stephen Remington 76,500 65,000   21.0 3.64
ActionAid Salil Shetty 86,527 84,173 2.8 73.0 1.19
Addaction *2 Peter Martin *3 65,000 75,000   15.0 4.33
Age Concern England Gordon Lishman 94,000 89,000 5.6 64.0 1.47
Alzheimer's Society Harry Cayton *4 74,000 70,459 5.0 27.4 2.70
Arthritis Care *2 William Butler 65,000 65,000   11.7 5.56
Arthritis Research Campaign *1 Fergus Logan *5 76,000 65,000   26.1 2.91
Association for International Cancer Research Derek Napier 45,000 37,500 20.0 15.1 2.98
Barnardo's *1 Roger Singleton 105,027 95,000   157.6 0.67
Battersea Dogs Home *2 Duncan Green 85,000 75,000   11.1 7.66
BBC Children in Need Martina Milburn 62,000 60,000 3.3 28.0 2.21
Blue Cross *2 John Rutter 65,000 65,000   19.2 3.39
British and Foreign Bible Society *1 James Catford 56,004 55,000   9.0 6.22
British Heart Foundation *2 Leslie Busk 115,000 115,000   115.8 0.99
British Red Cross *2 Nicholas Young 125,000 125,000   162.4 0.77
Cafod *2 Julian Filochowski 55,000 55,000   30.7 1.79
Cancer Research UK *6 Paul Nurse 140,000     305.8 0.46
Care International *2 Will Day 65,000 65,000   47.0 1.38
Cats Protection League *2 Derek Conway 75,000 75,000   20.3 3.69
ChildLine *2 Carole Easton *7 65,000 55,000   12.5 5.20
Children's Society Bob Reitemeier *7 *8 75,000 64,000 17.2 42.8 1.75
Christian Aid *9 Daleep Mukarji 51,406 48,790 5.4 58.5 0.88
Christian Vision *10 Terry Bennett   45,000      
Church Mission Society Tim Dakin 35,024 33,494 4.6 8.5 4.12
Civil Service Benevolent Fund *11 Rosemary Doidge 55,000 55,000 2.0 8.0 6.88
Crisis *1 Shaks Ghosh 64,500 45,000   5.5 11.73
Cystic Fibrosis Research *2 Rosie Barnes *5 75,000 75,000   7.0 10.71
Diabetes UK *2 Paul Streets *12 75,000 75,000   21.6 3.47
Diana, Princess of Wales Memorial Fund *13 Andrew Purkis 78,740 77,500 1.6 4.0 19.69
Donkey Sanctuary Elisabeth Svendsen 94,427 91,900 2.7 16.2 5.83
Elizabeth Finn Trust *2 Jonathan Welfare 75,000 75,000   16.7 4.49
Encams *14 Alan Woods 78,000 81,500 -4.3 10.0 7.80
English National Opera *2 Nicholas Payne 105,000 105,000   30.6 3.43
Erskine Hospital *1 Martin Gibson 72,000 65,000   11.4 6.32
Freemasons' Grand Charity *2 Laura Chapman 65,000 55,000   12.1 5.37
Guide Dogs for the Blind Association Geraldine Peacock 90,000 90,000 0.0 41.7 2.16
Help the Aged *2 Michael Lake 95,000 85,000   74.9 1.27
Jewish Care *2 Jeremy Oppenheim *15 125,000 125,000   43.4 2.88
Leonard Cheshire *2 Bryan Dutton 95,000 85,000   115.2 0.82
Leprosy Mission *10 Warren Lancaster   45,000   6.6  
Leukaemia Research Fund *2 Douglas Osborne 65,000 55,000   16.2 4.01
Macmillan Cancer Relief *1 Peter Cardy 100,000 95,000   78.6 1.27
Marie Curie Cancer Care Tom Hughes-Hallett 90,000 90,000 0.0 83.0 1.08
Marie Stopes International Tim Black 125,230 111,160 12.7 39.0 3.21
Mencap *2 Fred Heddell *16 95,000 75,000   110.6 0.86
Methodist Relief and Development Fund Kirsty Smith 31,000 31,011 0.0 1.6 19.38
Mind Richard Brook 72,800 63,600 14.5 15.2 4.79
Motor Neurone Disease Association *17 George Levvy 65,000 65,000 2.9 6.9 9.42
Multiple Sclerosis Society *2 Mike O'Donovan *18 85,000 95,000   28.6 2.97
National Art Collections Fund David Barrie 100,000 90,000 11.1 7.1 14.08
National Asthma Campaign *2 Donna Covey *19 55,000 55,000   10.1 5.45
National Canine Defence League *2 Clarissa Baldwin 65,000 65,000   27.7 2.35
National Galleries of Scotland *20 Timothy Clifford 62,500 60,306   13.3 4.70
National Trust *2 Fiona Reynolds 115,000 105,000   303.6 0.38
National Trust for Scotland *2 Robin Pellew 85,000 65,000   31.3 2.72
NCH Action for Children *1 Deryk Mead *7 116,384 95,000   150.0 0.78
Norwood Norma Brier 85,000 85,000 0.0 25.0 3.40
National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children *2 Mary Marsh 105,000 85,000   90.6 1.16
Oxfam Barbara Stocking 75,000 75,000 0.0 189.0 0.40
Parkinson's Disease Society *2 Linda Kelly 75,000 55,000   11.8 6.36
People's Dispensary for Sick Animals *2 Marilyn Rydstrom *21 95,000 85,000   63.1 1.50
Plan International *1 Marie Staunton 67,000 65,000   29.0 2.31
Prince's Trust *22 Tom Shebeare   90,234      
Rathbone Training *23 Chris Frost 75,000 75,000 2.5 34.9 2.15
Royal Air Force Benevolent Fund *1 David Cousins 69,000 65,000   23.3 2.96
Royal British Legion *2 Ian Townsend 95,000 95,000   58.5 1.62
Royal Masonic Benevolent Institution *22 Peter Gray   85,000      
Royal National Institute for Deaf People *1 *24 John Lowe 92,500 95,000   44.0 2.10
Royal National Institute for the Blind Ian Bruce *7 95,185 90,495   84.8 1.12
Royal National Lifeboat Institution *2 Andrew Freemantle 105,000 105,000   115.7 0.91
Royal Opera House Covent Garden *25 Tony Hall 205,000 165,000 24.2 64.7 3.17
Royal Society for the Protection of Birds *2 Graham Wynne 85,000 85,000   74.0 1.15
Royal Star and Garter Home *2 Lynn McDougall 85,000 55,000   11.9 7.14
Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals *2 Peter Davies *26 85,000 95,000   79.6 1.07
Salvation Army Alex Hughes *27 10,540 10,258 2.7 183.0 0.06
Samaritans Simon Armson 66,241 64,312 3.0 7.1 9.33
Sargent Cancer Care for Children Siun Cranny *25 71,000 70,000 1.4 7.0 10.14
Save the Children Mike Aaronson 85,000 82,002 3.7 110.8 0.77
Scope *2 Richard Brewster *28 95,000 85,000   93.2 1.02
Sense *1 Tony Best 67,000 65,000   47.4 1.41
Shelter Adam Sampson 73,000 68,000 7.4 34.2 2.13
Sightsavers *29 Richard Porter 65,000 68,000 3.0 25.6 2.54
SSAFA Forces Help *22 Peter Sheppard   75,000   33.4  
St Christopher's Hospice *2 Barbara Monroe 75,000 75,000   11.9 6.30
St Dunstans *2 Robert Leader 75,000 65,000   15.1 4.97
St John Ambulance *2 Roger Holmes 85,000 85,000   58.1 1.46
Stroke Assocation *2 Margaret Goose 55,000 55,000   13.9 3.96
Sue Ryder Care Iain Henderson 78,600 77,300 1.7 40.0 1.97
Tear Fund *2 Doug Balfour 65,000 65,000   39.2 1.66
The Wildlife Trusts *22 Simon Lyster   55,000      
Unicef David Bull 68,625 64,050 7.1 34.6 1.98
United Response *1 Su Sayer 84,144 85,000   37.3 2.26
Voluntary Services Overseas Mark Goldring 65,000 61,000 6.6 33.0 1.97
Wateraid *2 Ravi Narayanan 55,000 55,000   17.1 3.22
Woodland Trust *2 Mike Townsend 65,000 65,000   16.0 4.06
World Cancer Research Fund UK *30 Marilyn Gentry 80,000 80,000 0.0    
World Vision UK *2 Charles Clayton *31 65,000 65,000   32.9 1.98
Worldwide Fund for Nature UK Robert Napier 90,000 89,000 1.1 34.0 2.65
Youth Hostel Association *1 *32 Roger Clarke 62,000 75,000   36.9 1.68
             
Averages    79,805 74,327 5.0 48.3  4.49




Peter is off-line
10 December 2012 12:22
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Sounds like they are taking advantage somewhat. I waved a 300pound offered fee and worked for free the once for a child leukemia charity but had they asked for more or as the case seems with yourself, presumed upon it... then money would have to be involved. Even the charity muggers on the high street get paid (roughly 8ph in Leeds plus sales target bonus)


10 December 2012 13:09
David_Liddell
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The numbers of charity’s that have ended up in industrial tribunals with volunteer / employee issues is as legendary as the wages paid to the Chief Executives.

Please be mindful about insurance if you are providing goods or services to the charity as an independent self employed contractor.

Best Regards

David


Mike Naylor is off-line
10 December 2012 13:14
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Quote from David_Liddell
The numbers of charity’s that have ended up in industrial tribunals with volunteer / employee issues is as legendary as the wages paid to the Chief Executives. Please be mindful about insurance if you are providing goods or services to the charity as an independent self employed contractor. Best Regards David






Ray Brown is off-line
12 January 2013 18:13
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id say you were doing something wrong, but only in as much that youre not charging enough..too many people will take the p out of you if you let them... youre worth more than just expenses...



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