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14 September 2012 07:40
cathyduck1969
Model


Messages received that are negative, rude, nasty & unprofessional....
I applied to a casting call today - there was an age limit however, although I am a mature model, I am usually told I look younger than my age - so - depending on the casting, I sometimes apply. Even if I am not suitable for that particular shoot, often photographers wish to book me for another shoot anyway.

In all my time as a model, I have never received a reply from a photographer that is rude, unpleasant or hurtful - I expect photographers who have posted casting calls to be serious, professional at all times and not have time to waste sending hurtful messages to models - what would they gain from this?

I applied to as casting call today and received a reply from the photographer - it said something along the lines of "you look much older than your profile states" he may have been suggesting I lied about my age possibly - but was definitely out to undermine my confidence - perhaps other professionals could explain why someone would behave like this? Would it not be more professional to say "you are not suitable for this casting call" or just not reply at all.?

I am a popular, hard working, published model. I have not been told you look older before. I have never lied about my age as I look great for my age & am proud of how I look.

I am surprised by this & cannot understand why this photographer has been so unkind to me.

Thankfully this has never happened to me before - you need a lot of confidence in this business and this sort of thing can damage it.


14 September 2012 07:52
Socialdisaster
Photographer


Rude emails from both sides are, unfortunately, a fact of the anonymity provided by the internet. I've had two exceptionally rude emails from two models in reply to my current CC.
Modesty is just arrogance in stealth mode


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14 September 2012 07:52
Keltica
Photographer
Keltica
Location
United Kingdom
London
London

Ah the "There is an age limit but...." reply.

I'm afraid when it says there is an age limit, it's due to someone thinking the casting call through and determining that yes, bloody hell there has to be an age limit.

When you get stupid buggers with the first line of their mail saying "I know it says the uppper age limit is xxxx but people say I look younger" you want to throw the bloody PC out the window.

You could say, it's rather frustrating getting those emails when you go to all that thought in the casting text.



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14 September 2012 08:01
Sirensong
Model
Sirensong
Location
United Kingdom
South Glamorgan
Cardiff

Quote from cathyduck1969
I applied to a casting call today - there was an age limit however, although I am a mature model, I am usually told I look younger than my age - so - depending on the casting, I sometimes apply. Even if I am not suitable for that particular shoot, often photographers wish to book me for another shoot anyway. In all my time as a model, I have never received a reply from a photographer that is rude, unpleasant or hurtful - I expect photographers who have posted casting calls to be serious, professional at all times and not have time to waste sending hurtful messages to models - what would they gain from this? I applied to as casting call today and received a reply from the photographer - it said something along the lines of "you look much older than your profile states" he may have been suggesting I lied about my age possibly - but was definitely out to undermine my confidence - perhaps other professionals could explain why someone would behave like this? Would it not be more professional to say "you are not suitable for this casting call" or just not reply at all.? I am a popular, hard working, published model. I have not been told you look older before. I have never lied about my age as I look great for my age & am proud of how I look. I am surprised by this & cannot understand why this photographer has been so unkind to me. Thankfully this has never happened to me before - you need a lot of confidence in this business and this sort of thing can damage it.



Now whereas I feel the reply was harsh its possible that the photographer had a very bad day where he had placed up a casting and got a shedload of unsuitable models applying, its bound to cause a certain amount of frustration.
I dont agree with him/her being so mean mind, but next time perhaps rather than applying for a casting you are not suitable for/dont fit the description for just drop the photographer a wee line (seperate from the casting call) explaining that you saw the casting, realised you were not suitable but perhaps in the future if there would be something you were suitable for they might consider you.
Enhanced in post production, but not working to a level of filmed with inserts :D


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14 September 2012 08:02
Photoimager
Photographer
Photoimager
Location
United Kingdom
Staffordshire
Stoke-on-Trent

Quote from Keltica
Ah the "There is an age limit but...." reply.




Not a reason for rudeness or being nasty. Simply replying with a 'thanks for your interest but you do not meet the specifications that I have'  would have been fair enough. Sounds like we have found a photographer diva.
Where there's a Will, there's a way.


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14 September 2012 08:02
Sarge
Photographer
Sarge
Location
United Kingdom
County Durham


Firstly, there is a clear distinction between professional and polite, so dont think the 2 are the same.

You said there was an age limit? What was this?
You wasted your time and his by applying for a casting your were not suitable for as it stated an age that fell outside of yours (presumably). So the photographer replied wasting his and your time and being down right nasty and rude, that there IS no excuse for i agree and he has shown himself for what he really is.

Cathy, i know you havent asked for a portfolio review, but some of the photos you look older/younger than in others and they possibly dont do you any favours. I think you do look lovely on some of them however (you are the same age as me too).
It may benefit asking for a review of your portfolio.

At the end of the day, you applied for a casting that you were not suitable for. There was NO NEED to be rude, and the photographer should have either ignored or said 'thanks, but no thanks'.

Unfortunately the world is full of hurtful people and more so in the modelling game.

Dont let it put you off, keep your chin up


14 September 2012 08:03
mgphotomedia
Photographer


May I ask what age limit was on the casting you applied for?


14 September 2012 08:11
rattusratus
Model


its often quite rude to ignore the terms of the casting so you made initial unwanted contact

as for being told your old, im 23 and have been told many times on mm i look in my 40's and 50's lol just learn to deal with it this is an industry based on looks

age dosnt have a look - no two people that are the same age will ever look the same but based on how my family look and my mam who is a year older then you then unfortunately you do look older not being nasty just an opinion based on the other people i know who are close to your age

that dosnt mean you cant be a great model and of course you should receive courteous reply's but i dont believe that was massively offensive it just states the photographers opinion of you being unsuitable to the casting you reply to despite knowing you where unsuitable, you just have to learn there are limitations within modelling for everyone and your is unfortunately your age
300 men have died in lincoln county in the last 3 years...... but what you must remember is i did not shoot them all


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14 September 2012 08:16
skymouse
Photographer
skymouse
Location
United Kingdom
London
London

I've sometimes received replies to casting calls (or occasionally just preemptive messages) from models who acknowledge that they don't fit a particular requirement that they know I'm seeking, but are letting me know they'd be interested in case different circumstances crop up. I honestly don't see anything wrong in this. The casting, or a reference to profile notes or the nature of my projects that they've seen, are conversational opportunities to make an approach, and a deliberately nasty reply isn't called for.

If a model replies to a casting and clearly doesn't fit the criteria stated and it isn't an approach of the kind mentioned above, then it's hard not — at the very least — to recall Peter Cooke explaining to the one-legged actor (who was applying for the role of Tarzan) "Need I say without overmuch emphasis that it is in the leg division that you are deficient." Whether it is impolite not to convert this into a white lie is debatable.
"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx.


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14 September 2012 08:29
vipimages
Photographer
vipimages
Location
United Kingdom
Merseyside
Wirral

Quote from rattusratus
its often quite rude to ignore the terms of the casting so you made initial unwanted contact as for being told your old, im 23 and have been told many times on mm i look in my 40's and 50's lol just learn to deal with it this is an industry based on looks age dosnt have a look - no two people that are the same age will ever look the same but based on how my family look and my mam who is a year older then you then unfortunately you do look older not being nasty just an opinion based on the other people i know who are close to your age that dosnt mean you cant be a great model and of course you should receive courteous reply's but i dont believe that was massively offensive it just states the photographers opinion of you being unsuitable to the casting you reply to despite knowing you where unsuitable, you just have to learn there are limitations within modelling for everyone and your is unfortunately your age



what about twins?sad
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