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[Advice on] Modelling for members only paysites

beauvoir is off-line
07 August 2012 11:48
beauvoir
Model
beauvoir
Location
United Kingdom
Birmingham
Birmingham

Some of us know this and don't care. As far as I'm concerned, I show up, do my job, get paid and come home. If the content is stolen then it's the studio or webmaster losing money, not I. It's sad, but it's not my business.

Pictures are available for everyone to see the second they hit the web, members only or otherwise.


A Woman At Work is off-lineGold Member
07 August 2012 12:53
awomanatwork
Photographer
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awomanatwork
Location
United Kingdom
Glasgow
Birmingham / Manchester / Glasgow

I think this is quite an informative topic - but I think the initial responsibility lies with the photographer when he / she  makes a work offer to a model (somewhere in that work offer / details should be the consequences of doing this work ... whether it's a new model or not, they should be asked to read it and say they have read it) Then after reading the work offer models then makes a decision to do or not do the work. The responsibility then rests totally with the model. 

You're right once it on the internet its there for life - and that should be clearly understood. awomanatwork is a naughty person ed off with boyfriends / partners suddenly appearing on the scene and wanting the work removed ...not a chance in hell (I make no apologies for my language).

 
However, on the flip side there are loads of girls out there happy with their work in the adult industry and that should also be noted (worked with loads of them and they are among the most well mannered and professional people I've had the pleasure to meet).


07 August 2012 14:19
Lisaliz
Model


Yes, this a good post and well worth thinking over.

I'm tending to get more pictures of me plastered over the internet - to my mind they are as tame as anything you might see hanging on the wall of a national museum, but there are a few odd folks out there!



Martin Bagge is off-line
21 August 2012 08:22
photolibrary
Photographer

Location
United Kingdom
Surrey
Kingston-upon-Thames

Ian makes good points.

We just tried to book a model for a very nice classy shoot with a top guy, payment by return of invoice etc etc. The so called agent demanded to know where pictures would be sold and how much and what percentage would they get on top etc etc, we asked if they they would like to have all the pictures and we just pick up the tab! Reply was ok to shoot for a pay site as published work gives over exposure!Joke is we are also looking for models for trips and I am sure she was never even told.

Of course good published work gets more work for models and many stock calendars are rarely seen outside of the trade

They send girls to work for big sites that are viewed by millions or some guy who shoots in his back room or garden shed after a days work on the trains or whatever and then supplies images to every site going with the same result!

No problem with that but just shows the logic of people who call themselves agents.


zoepinknose  is off-lineSilver Member
21 August 2012 08:31
zoepinknose
Model
zoepinknose
Location
Europe
Spain
albox Almeria

When I first started modelling I was an idiot and didn't think this would happen... However I was part time there and didn't want anyone in my day job seeing my bits and bobs...
Now I just understand that goes with the territory and happy for all to see me in All my glory !!
Never a dull moment


Iain Thomson is off-linePlatinum Member
21 August 2012 08:41
IainT
Photographer
IainT
Location
United Kingdom
Bedfordshire


Quote from photolibrary
Ian makes good points.

We just tried to book a model for a very nice classy shoot with a top guy, payment by return of invoice etc etc. The so called agent demanded to know where pictures would be sold and how much and what percentage would they get on top etc etc, we asked if they they would like to have all the pictures and we just pick up the tab! Reply was ok to shoot for a pay site as published work gives over exposure!Joke is we are also looking for models for trips and I am sure she was never even told.

Of course good published work gets more work for models and many stock calendars are rarely seen outside of the trade

They send girls to work for big sites that are viewed by millions or some guy who shoots in his back room or garden shed after a days work on the trains or whatever and then supplies images to every site going with the same result!

No problem with that but just shows the logic of people who call themselves agents.



Depending on the model/agent this doesn't necessarilly sound unreasonable.

When you are dealing with top agencies/well known models...ie Girl management etc, this type of thing is the norm. They would normally want a percentage of anything on top of the specified use, plus residuals. It would also be common to have a contract/release pre-approved by both parties before the shoot.

Good glamour agencies operate pretty much the way commercial agencies operate. However, if it was a typically unknown agency/model, then yes, its pretty optimistic on their part.

Blanket releases and unrestricted use are pretty much seen only at internet/adult level.
I tend to be a modest man, but then I do have a lot to be modest about.


rowan is off-line
21 August 2012 09:36
rowen16
Photographer

Location
United Kingdom
London
london

greed. the thing with greed is very much like a cashpoint thats faulty and continues to give out cash until its empty. its alright in the beginning when its full but dont go back when its empty and expect a repeat. in the modelling industry generally speaking people dont see that - then they complain that theres no money around - there is - but theyve had it and spent it!


21 August 2012 14:24
paulbatterbury
Photographer


Good call Iain, a few models have brought this up recently with me, in respects to other websites and web producers publishing images.

I will point out to all models, that the copyright on these images are held with the photographer / webmaster / or media group, so it is possible at such point in the future they will sell on your content.

I don’t mean this to be a deterrent and not shoot for website, in fact shooting for websites is a much better avenue off paid work than magazines or syndication, and in most case you get paid on the day, but you may need to consider a stage name.

In the past, other webmasters have sold content, when a model has have appeared in programs such as Big Brother (for example Nicky Graham, Ashleigh and Chantell)

As much as you may feel you know what you are doing, please listen to those people who produce this content and give you advice to successfully safe guarding your commercial career and your person life.

The number of models that have lost commercial jobs after being goggled by the cashing board, and things such as the Peachy Forum, where members, fans (anyone) can track down your pictures and link all you model names, they also scan this site for more information in respects to information on models.

Please be aware.
Kind Regards Paul http://www.paul-batterbury.com


22 August 2012 20:18
Tansy_Blue
Model


This is one of the main reasons that I don't work for paysites. I don't want there to be companies that have a financial interest in showing photographs of me that most laypeople would consider pornographic to as many people as possible; I'm only 19 and even though right now I'm proud of my modelling and happy to be associated with it, I don't know where life will take me and if one day I'll want to distance myself from modelling. By working almost entirely with enthusiastic amateurs who have no financial interest in promoting their work I hope that images of me will be less widely distributed. Of course some amateurs (and also some professional photographers who've shot me and put the images on their business websites) put a lot of effort into promoting themselves, but I assume the effect of this is much less than if I regularly worked for paysites. Well, hopefully. I could be completely wrong o'course. =/

I do think that some paysites look like a lot of fun to work for and obviously they pay well, but it's not worth it for me right now.
"The poetic, the scientific, the erotic - why should the imagination care which master it serves?" - Ian McEwan


22 August 2012 20:23
Tansy_Blue
Model


By which I don't mean "I don't work for paysites because I don't want anyone to see my modelling photographs", I mean "I don't work for paysites because I'd rather not have what most people would think of as porn featuring me available on many websites which have undergone search engine optimisation and puts time and money into promoting itself". A few websites run by dedicated amateurs is fine, but I'd rather not have dozens of websites fitting that description (pornographic images of me & heavily promoted) in existence.
"The poetic, the scientific, the erotic - why should the imagination care which master it serves?" - Ian McEwan



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