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Don Rudge is off-line
06 July 2012 13:55
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Does anyone use the ef 24-105 f4 L lens? If so have you had any soft issues with it?

I used mine for an outdoor shoot the other night and all looked fine, however on inspection on the Mac, at 100% the images are quite soft. Settings were 125th at f4 iso 250 @ 105mm, and IS on. I shoot in RAW and the body is an EOS 50D. I also used a 17-40 at the same settings and that is sharper?!

I decided to to a test at home, got an object, put the camera on a heavy tripod, mirror lock and remote release, then took a series of images at all apertures with both lenses mentioned, in both normal and live view modes. Now the 17-40 is sharper than the 24-105 at pretty much all settings even viewed at 200% compared to the 100% of the 105??!!. I have found that the 24-105 is soft at f4, f4.5 and f5. At f5.6 it pings into reasonable sharpness.

Has anyone else experienced any similar problems? Is there any way to fix the softness or have the lens checked?

Please help as I really really wanted this lens and pushed for it so want it to be right!!!


Gerry is onlineSilver Member
06 July 2012 14:22
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I use it and mine is sharp but to be honest, it normally gets used at smaller apertures. Its my primary landscape lens on a full frame body and gets well and truly battered and is still going strong

When you say "reasonable" sharpness it should be sharp at about F8. It will be softer nearest its widest aperture.

The shorter the focal length - the greater the depth of field so you may think the 17-40 is sharper when it could be an optical illusion

Two more things to think about:

1) Are the focussing conditions good?
2) Try shooting at a faster shutter speed at 105 mm - say 160th or 200th to eliminate camera shake as a possible reason

There are more scientific tests to measure sharpness and other artifacts - camera magazines use them to test lenses for articles - try searching google

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Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
06 July 2012 14:46
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You're using a crop-body with a relatively high pixel count, so not surprising the lens won't be pixel-sharp wide open.

I think you need to be comparing both lenses on a full-frame body to see how they behave (the 17-40 may simpy have a central sweet spot the crop sensor is making use of wheras the 24-105 may well be consistent across the whole image circle)

Daft question.... have you got a filter on it?
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Paul Hodson is onlineSilver Member
06 July 2012 14:55
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1/200 at f4.0

No processing other than basic conversion

No sharpening at all

100% crop



Sharp enough for me.  I have though had my 5D and the lens adjusted as both were back focussing at one point.......

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06 July 2012 14:56
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Quote from mph
1/200 at f4.0



Your EXIF says 1/320 @ F4 
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Paul Hodson is onlineSilver Member
06 July 2012 14:58
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Oops - I was choosing from a few and didn't notice I had changed the speed!

But camera shake may be part off the problem even with IS -I can certainly get it!

Meant to say 105 mm too
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Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
06 July 2012 15:06
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The old 1/focal length rule is so out-dated now IMO, it was fine in the days of film when printed and viewed at a sensible viewing distance.

Nowadays we have arguably finer 'clean' detail in digital and we can pixel-peep which IMO means we have to far exceed the shutter speeds of the 1/F rule.

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Paul Hodson is onlineSilver Member
06 July 2012 15:10
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Agreed - people take it as a safe speed - rather than the absolute minimum. Mind you with IS it should be OK.
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Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
06 July 2012 15:14
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OP: did you switch the IS off when using the tripod?
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Mick Stow is off-line
06 July 2012 15:17
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have you tried calibrating the lens?
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