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22 January 2010 07:28
cgwebster
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There has been a few threads here on how taken for granted MUA's are, how people take the P by constantly posting for TF* work etc. but none of the threads really informed me how much a MUA should cost. Apologies for my ignorance on this and if I've missed something, I'm afraid to say I have only worked with MUA's on a TF* basis in the past (not from this site though).

For instance, do you have a menu of rates (by that I mean an hourly cost + material charges depending on what is required) or do you do bespoke pricing per assignment or some other formulae ?

The reason I'm asking is I'm looking into some commercial opportunities and need to know what to budget and thus give the client a realistic quote.

Colin


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22 January 2010 08:09
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22 January 2010 09:41
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Thanks for the message, appreciated!

Colin


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22 January 2010 10:09
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22 January 2010 10:21
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At the expense of bringing the wrath of a 'foundation' of MUA's down on me I think that MUA's are no more exempt from working TF* than photographers or models.
(Some) MUA's seem to think that TF* is only applicable if its others working for them and that their part in the creative process should be paid for. 
Just think of the expense it would come to for a new MUA to book both a model and pay the photographer for the images produced. Even those (few) who have had the professionalism to pay out for the services of models and photographers would I'm sure admit that while leaning their art didn't pay a fee to everybody they practiced on.
The funny thing (I find) is that it is not always the best MUA's who seem to doing the shouting and I'm sure that the photographers who support them are often after  freebies themselves.
Now let me say here that a 'good' MUA is an important thing and worth every penny of their fee ( which will be whatever they ask — the same as any other professional) but until they can prove via images of their work that they are worth that fee then they like everyone else (may) need to work TF*
TF* is a two (or even a three) way street. Those who don't need to do it, wont, and those who think it will be in their interest to, will.
If I was doing an important shoot then I wouldn't trust using an unproved MUA just to save a couple of quid, but I would work with a new MUA and provide my time, skills and images for FREE if they were also giving their time , skill and materials for free.
I am not an MUA so cannot give you rates, let's see if you get any rates in open forum.
Mike.



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22 January 2010 10:26
cgwebster
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Absolutely emoticon


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22 January 2010 10:29
cgwebster
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Quote from Mike_Dainty_ARTIST
At the expense of bringing the wrath of a 'foundation' of MUA's down on me I think that MUA's are no more exempt from working TF* than photographers or models.
(Some) MUA's seem to think that TF* is only applicable if its others working for them and that their part in the creative process should be paid for. 
Just think of the expense it would come to for a new MUA to book both a model and pay the photographer for the images produced. Even those (few) who have had the professionalism to pay out for the services of models and photographers would I'm sure admit that while leaning their art didn't pay a fee to everybody they practiced on.
The funny thing (I find) is that it is not always the best MUA's who seem to doing the shouting and I'm sure that the photographers who support them are often after  freebies themselves.
Now let me say here that a 'good' MUA is an important thing and worth every penny of their fee ( which will be whatever they ask — the same as any other professional) but until they can prove via images of their work that they are worth that fee then they like everyone else (may) need to work TF*
TF* is a two (or even a three) way street. Those who don't need to do it, wont, and those who think it will be in their interest to, will.
If I was doing an important shoot then I wouldn't trust using an unproved MUA just to save a couple of quid, but I would work with a new MUA and provide my time, skills and images for FREE if they were also giving their time , skill and materials for free.
I am not an MUA so cannot give you rates, let's see if you get any rates in open forum.
Mike.




All good points, but I was asking about paid, commercial rates and how these are made up. I wasn't trying to start another "should MUA's do TF* or not" thread, honest! emoticon

Colin


22 January 2010 11:40
Secondskin
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Quote from Mike_Dainty_ARTIST
At the expense of bringing the wrath of a 'foundation' of MUA's down on me I think that MUA's are no more exempt from working TF* than photographers or models.
(Some) MUA's seem to think that TF* is only applicable if its others working for them and that their part in the creative process should be paid for. 
Just think of the expense it would come to for a new MUA to book both a model and pay the photographer for the images produced. Even those (few) who have had the professionalism to pay out for the services of models and photographers would I'm sure admit that while leaning their art didn't pay a fee to everybody they practiced on.
The funny thing (I find) is that it is not always the best MUA's who seem to doing the shouting and I'm sure that the photographers who support them are often after  freebies themselves.
Now let me say here that a 'good' MUA is an important thing and worth every penny of their fee ( which will be whatever they ask — the same as any other professional) but until they can prove via images of their work that they are worth that fee then they like everyone else (may) need to work TF*
TF* is a two (or even a three) way street. Those who don't need to do it, wont, and those who think it will be in their interest to, will.
If I was doing an important shoot then I wouldn't trust using an unproved MUA just to save a couple of quid, but I would work with a new MUA and provide my time, skills and images for FREE if they were also giving their time , skill and materials for free.
I am not an MUA so cannot give you rates, let's see if you get any rates in open forum.
Mike.




Ha ha, Im one of the loud 'shouters'  ....oh dear, does that mean im crap??? lol


22 January 2010 11:41
Secondskin
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Quote from cgwebster
All good points, but I was asking about paid, commercial rates and how these are made up. I wasn't trying to start another "should MUA's do TF* or not" thread, honest! emoticon

Colin



Its ok Colin...You didnt come across as if you were anyhow. emoticon


22 January 2010 11:44
Secondskin
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And can i just add..what is wrong with Victoria  privately pm'ing Colin??? I know lots of photographers and models who wouldnt dream of putting their rates on a forum??why should we ?? I dont have anything to hide at all, my rates are fair and suitable but its my business and i wouldnt splash it all over here..like i dont splash anything else about my private affairs...



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