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Wind of change....Unhappy with Purestorm for the first time...

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Saturday, November 07, 2009 3:49 AM
Iain Thomson is online
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Quote from ForumModerator
Would members please respect Matt's wishes that he be allowed time to bring in modifications.
PS is not a simple paysite running off templates - it is a complex website designed to do many things.
This site does not generate enough income for Matt to be able to give up his day job
so any changes must be crafted at night and weekends - they cannot be incorporated immediately.




I have no problem with giving Matt time, I appreciate the work he has put in, and importantly Matt seems like a really nice, helpful and genuine person, he shares this in common with the moderation team, with the exception of one member who seems to have let the power go to his/her head..;-)

I still wonder though, if Matt has worked his butt off to make changes which were unnecessary and will ultimately detract from, rather than improve the site.

I genuinely hope the changes are a resounding success and in a couple of weeks I have to apologize for my reservations. 

Some people say I'm good...I reckon I'm good enough to know I'm overated
Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:25 AM
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Learning that you can select three or four areas for the search by pressing the control button was a bit of a breakthrough, My only remaining gripe is that I do still think that an error message should come up at the posting stage if a casting is submitted which just claims United Kingdom as address.
Congratulations to Matt however who must be a bit peed off at all our moaning. You are appreciated really, Matt!!




Comment : Unfortunately Matt is not very good at self-publicity and never thinks to announce improvements he has made
tending instead to spend his time finding coding solutions to members' requests and refining features for maximum compatibility
People don't change, they only become more so.
Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:32 AM
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Not posted on this before, but I'm still undecided which is better from a finding suitable work partners position, what I didn't like was the censorship when posts became read only, through the replies many models that wouldn't normally be seen came to the fore, it also gave an opportunity to gauge their commitment from the posts they wrote, all this has been lost and I feel the site and its members have lost out as a result.

Can someone explain where to find the tuition courses that were frequently advertised before, as the new system doesn't seem to cater for them now.

John


Comment : In the section specifically created for them in August at the request of Studio members
Studio Tutorial Sessions
For Studio Account Holders to Advertise Courses
" if you ain't got anything nice to say, say nowt" change it to "If you don't think you'll like the answer- don't pose the question"
Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:48 AM
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Quote from Crazy_Diamond
Not all changes are perceived as good....we've changed from having no speed cameras to having loads, some perceive it as good some as bad....are the ones that see it as bad really Luddites?
Likewise the change to ID cards?
Just a couple of examples.

In the last week, people at my studio have commented...these are people that you don't notice on Purestorm, they don't post on the forums, they don't advertise for models, they just silently come onto the site and arrange shoots. Out of 6 people who commented (I didn't solicit any comments btw), 1 liked it and 5 didn't.

Do these people represent the (maybe 80%+) "lurkers" who never express a view or make comments on the forum?

No way of knowing, until, perhaps some months down the line they gradually evaporate away to other sites....realistically they ain't going to jump ship rapidly, they're conservative people (hence their views on change) and might take weeks or months to reach their decision or take action. Taking straw polls a few days into the changes is naive bordering on the stupid and demonstrates nothing except a lack of understanding about how the real world works.

Managing change is one of the most difficult things to do in an organisation.....it's hard even when it's employees involved (who face the choice of changing or getting the sack) getting customers (using the term in it's widest sense) who cannot be compelled to accept change is even more problematical.

I suspect nobody within Purestorm has even googled "change management"....the attitude of "play elsewhere", would bear that out.

The fact is that change always alienates some people, it always will.....unfortunately the blunt instrument of the "play elsewhere" attitude will just alienate even more, as it clearly demonstrates a bombastic and arrogant attitude and, if continued, will cause serious long term damage to the popularity of this site.

The change might be good...but sneering, shouting down, insulting and effectively telling dissenters to "eff off" shows a level of ignorance that cannot be allowed in any organisation, particularly a "customer facing" one; it will drive away even those that agree with the change as they will object to the ethos and style being pursued.




Excellent post - in particular "sneering, shouting down, insulting and effectively telling dissenters to "eff off" shows a level of ignorance that cannot be allowed in any organisation, particularly a "customer facing" one; it will drive away even those that agree with the change as they will object to the ethos and style being pursued." Is an extraordinary attitude
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Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:06 AM
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Quote from Desova
[ Comment: It has already been stated on the forums that Matt is working on introducing both 'Regions' and an 'Overview Page' ]



Stating it on the forums is all well and good, but how many users to do you expect to actually read anything? I rekon 10% would be pretty generous.

Quote from matt
Guys, give me a little bit of time to implement the changes I mentioned earlier, additionally I will also add a section to the home page that will list the latest casting calls, I will also be changing the location to regions rather than counties, ie south west, south east etc.. lets see how it looks after the changes have been made




At the risk of sounding like an arse here, why remove the old system to replace it with a new system which wasn't functional yet? In additional to my above comment on people reading documentation - if people try a system and it doesn't work, the chances are they won't try it again on the offchange it has improved. What really should be done with what could be regarded as a critical feature of the site would have been to Beta the new system and iron out all the issues / get feedback whilst the main system was in place, and then migrate from one fully functional system to another. Whilst it might seem like a bit more work it'd have eliminated most of the complaints about the system and vastly reduced the number of people to dislike / stop using the casting systems. I say this as a software engineer with a lot of industrial clients, and I know if I made major changes to software in the same way I wouldn't remain employed for very long.

I also have to echo the comments that have been made about moderator attitude, yes a lot of you work selflessly to provide support for the user base, but a lot of the moderator replies come across as quite negative/rude/condescending/confrontational. This doesn't bother me as such; its your ball, you can do what you like with it, but I'm sure it can only have the effect of putting users offside.

Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:35 AM
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Quote from Desova

At the risk of sounding like an arse here, why remove the old system to replace it with a new system which wasn't functional yet? In additional to my above comment on people reading documentation - if people try a system and it doesn't work, the chances are they won't try it again on the offchange it has improved. What really should be done with what could be regarded as a critical feature of the site would have been to Beta the new system and iron out all the issues / get feedback whilst the main system was in place, and then migrate from one fully functional system to another. Whilst it might seem like a bit more work it'd have eliminated most of the complaints about the system and vastly reduced the number of people to dislike / stop using the casting systems. I say this as a software engineer with a lot of industrial clients, and I know if I made major changes to software in the same way I wouldn't remain employed for very long.




Yes, admittedly I made a mistake in rolling it out before it was fully ready, and for that I do apologise
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. - Homer Simpson
Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:37 AM
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Not posted on this before, but I'm still undecided which is better from a finding suitable work partners position, what I didn't like was the censorship when posts became read only, through the replies many models that wouldn't normally be seen came to the fore, it also gave an opportunity to gauge their commitment from the posts they wrote, all this has been lost and I feel the site and its members have lost out as a result.

Can someone explain where to find the tuition courses that were frequently advertised before, as the new system doesn't seem to cater for them now.

John


Comment : In the section specifically created for them in August at the request of Studio members
Studio Tutorial Sessions
For Studio Account Holders to Advertise Courses



The reason I asked was because the last post in there was before the change was implimented so I deduced that they were also reduced* to using the new system.

John





* Comment : For info, the closed (Work) sections have this notice at the top of the section :-
Please note that all forums relating to offering and looking for work are no longer in use, please use the new casting section,
 click here for further details

" if you ain't got anything nice to say, say nowt" change it to "If you don't think you'll like the answer- don't pose the question"
Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:46 AM
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As already requested please wait for the changes Matt has outlined to be developed and rolled out before giving a final opinion. The view once they are in place may be very different from an initial viewpoint.

Also all premium members were given the opportunity to test and comment on the functionality of the Casting Call section before it went live. A number of members did so with some very useful feedback. Unfortunately at that point no-one made any comment that this would be a backward step for the site and all comments made were positive about the feature.

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Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:18 AM
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Quote from matt
Yes, admittedly I made a mistake in rolling it out before it was fully ready, and for that I do apologise



In the late 90's I ran a community type site that became quite popular, quite quickly. One of the things that never failed to amaze me was the lengths that some people would go to slag off everything you tried to do, good or bad. They would never put their money where their mouths were and do something themselves, rather they sat on the shoulders of other peoples efforts and then moaned about everything in sight.

That can be very disheartening when you have literally half killed yourself to produce something that people might find useful. I therefore sympathise greatly with Matt here, a lot of hard work has obviously gone into the Casting system and the response has maybe not been as positive as he (and the mods) may have liked. I think that the vast, vast majority of members are truely greatful for the effort that goes into making this site (IMHO) the best of its kind, and that is worth re-stating that here.

Some people just want to moan just for the sake of it. Frankly they should just be told to f*** off somewhere else. Some, such IainT who opened this discussion and others, are not just whining but are motivated by offering genuine feedback to help the site become even better. I hope Matt and the mods can see the difference between these two types of feedback and dont take it too much to heart but in the spirit that the feedback is offered.

Anyway, my kinda soppy 2 pence worth!

Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:22 AM
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Quote from Desova
What really should be done with what could be regarded as a critical feature of the site would have been to Beta the new system and iron out all the issues / get feedback whilst the main system was in place, and then migrate from one fully functional system to another.



As Andy has reiterated, Matt asked Premium members to help us Beta test last month
both in a Sticky Guideline in Premium General Chat and with a top banner attracting attention to this.
After two weeks of testing, with no major negative comments or problems detected, we went live.
Matt admits with hindsight that we went live too soon and has apologised for the error.
He has been working flat out all week to implement suggestions and improvements
as seemlessly as possible without at any stage closing the site for maintenance.
He has also stated that more improvements are in the pipeline that should address most issues.



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