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| Monday, November 02, 2009 11:53 AM | |
| TMG No longer a member | Getting angry and voicing it doesn't seem to have had any effect on the law makers or enforcers. There can hardly be an adult in this country who believes the spin or has confidence in the way things are done. Thugs, as was pointed out earlier today, know they have licence to terrorise and they use it with impunity. So what suggestions would others have for a change? My small suggestion would for the police to start cautioning thugs and ending with a warning that they will be turning a blind eye to any retribution that comes the way of those who threaten others in their communities. If I were a policeman I would certainly have been tempted to say to the kid who started to kick the door down to get at a man's daughter - "that man will kill to protect his daughter. As far as we are concerned he would be doing everyone a favour. We won't be looking out for you." It;s licencing vigilantism on the quiet, and it is long overdue. i don't see what alternative there is unless a way can be found to order our elected representatives to change the law to allow real preventative force to be used against youths who get a thrill from wreaking havoc. |
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 Location United Kingdom Merseyside Wirral | kneecapping!  |
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| Monday, November 02, 2009 12:42 PM | |||
 Location United Kingdom London | We need people like Harry Brown. Okay, so he's fictional... but I wouldn't shed a tear if someone (or a whole bunch of people) just like him were to go out and kill a few chavs on the quiet. The police force would be happy (crime rates going down), the government would be happy (erm... crime rates going down), and the general public would be happy too (yada yada yada). VIP's suggestion of kneecapping seems too good for some thugs... although it's at least free, unless the taxpayer has to pay for the baseball bat? |
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| Monday, November 02, 2009 12:46 PM | |||
 Location United Kingdom Cheshire Warrington | Sterilisation for anyone convicted of an offence.  ................... That way they would not be able to pass on their chav scum genes.  Only problem with that though is they have usually sporned 3 off spring by the time they are 18. Nick |
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| Monday, November 02, 2009 12:56 PM | |
| TMG No longer a member | The thing is, we all know what we would like to do, but it's never going to happen. Meanwhile the filth continues to pollute our town and cities. How do we get the message across to political parties that we no longer want to talk about it, no longer want to listen to excuses for this behaviour? Should there be a new political party that campaigns on this one issue? If there were, we could deliver an ultimatum to the established parties- do as we say or we field candidates all over the country and you will be decimated. |
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| Monday, November 02, 2009 1:46 PM | |||
 Location United Kingdom Oxfordshire Chinnor | I would start by making life mean life and making life the automatic punishment for murder. I do not believe in capital punishment solely because errors are made. I do believe however that anyone who has taken another life through a deliberate act should never be allowed a second chance in society. If they choose to do a Shipman once in side that's fine by me. On drugs I would stop criminalising those who are addicted (but not the pushers) and put in a decent program of help and support to get them off the drugs or at the very least under control. Not because I care a stuff about the mess they have made of there lives but because I do care about the mess their addiction make of the lives of others. The rest is less easy but to me sentencing or treatment should be based on what is the most cost effective to society not some doey eyed sentimental idealism about recovering lost souls. If the cost of keeping them inside is cheaper than the cost of leaving them at large then keep them inside. On the other hand if some form of intensive support can be shown to turn certain individuals around to the point they can become a useful member of society then unpallatable though it may be we should do it. Not for them but for us. For any of this to work though we need to turf out the tens of thousands of parasites that have infested our judicial system. People who seem to see the thugs on our streets as the victims for not having the 'necessities' of life most of us had to work our bolloxs off to aquire. People who believe it is racist to expect those who come to this country to learn our language and subscribe to our laws, People who are happy to spend thousands pursuing mild mannered people because they left a bin out that was over full, yet make a point of being as unhelpful and obdurate as possible when some twerp decides to treat half the street to his neanderal tastes in music. Mind you the less logical part of me thinks ban all the paperwork the police have to do, give them immunity from prosecution, intern all the wailing heart journalists and their acolites then send the police out to clean up the streets using the more 'traditional' methods of the past. A year would probably do it |
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| Monday, November 02, 2009 1:56 PM | |||
 Location United Kingdom Northamptonshire Daventry | Interesting read if nothing else http://bnp.org.uk/policies/law-and-order/ And b4 any one starts calling me this and that , i have not said i agree with anything said or written by bmp |
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| Monday, November 02, 2009 2:05 PM | ||
 Location United Kingdom Greater Manchester Manchester | OK, so you start with roughing up a few chavs. Giving a few dealers a taste of their own medicine. Beating up the little bugger who smashed your car windows. But where does it end? Death squads stalking the streets at night, stringing up suspected peadophiles to lampposts and castrating rapists in alleyways? It's a fine line between standing up for yourself and mob rule. Personally I agree with Redbaron. Harsher prison terms, life meaning life and moving the judicial system back in favour of the victim and not the defense laywers & bleeding heart liberals. |
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| Monday, November 02, 2009 2:14 PM | |
| TMG No longer a member |  Quote from redbaronI would start by making life mean life and making life the automatic punishment for murder. I do not believe in capital punishment solely because errors are made. I do believe however that anyone who has taken another life through a deliberate act should never be allowed a second chance in society. If they choose to do a Shipman once in side that's fine by me. On drugs I would stop criminalising those who are addicted (but not the pushers) and put in a decent program of help and support to get them off the drugs or at the very least under control. Not because I care a stuff about the mess they have made of there lives but because I do care about the mess their addiction make of the lives of others. The rest is less easy but to me sentencing or treatment should be based on what is the most cost effective to society not some doey eyed sentimental idealism about recovering lost souls. If the cost of keeping them inside is cheaper than the cost of leaving them at large then keep them inside. On the other hand if some form of intensive support can be shown to turn certain individuals around to the point they can become a useful member of society then unpallatable though it may be we should do it. Not for them but for us. For any of this to work though we need to turf out the tens of thousands of parasites that have infested our judicial system. People who seem to see the thugs on our streets as the victims for not having the 'necessities' of life most of us had to work our bolloxs off to aquire. People who believe it is racist to expect those who come to this country to learn our language and subscribe to our laws, People who are happy to spend thousands pursuing mild mannered people because they left a bin out that was over full, yet make a point of being as unhelpful and obdurate as possible when some twerp decides to treat half the street to his neanderal tastes in music. Mind you the less logical part of me thinks ban all the paperwork the police have to do, give them immunity from prosecution, intern all the wailing heart journalists and their acolites then send the police out to clean up the streets using the more 'traditional' methods of the past. A year would probably do it Interesting points. I've got no problem with re-habilitation and do consider the fact that there is a chain of abuse, neglect and violence which cycles through the generations. That said, young men who have no capacity for self-regulation need in the first instance to be put in their place. Old community systems had an inbuilt pack system to do just this. In a small, relatively enclosed community, anyone who stepped out of line would be dealt with by the responsible male adults. I think we need to re-establish this pack system in the worst hit areas. Groups of responsible male adults should be licenced to group together and stamp on miscreant behaviour (a very mild way of putting it, I grant you). They would be using force - not as an end in itself, but in order to establish a chain of dominance. Paradoxically, to meet random thuggery with overwhelming force would quickly mean that just the threat of that force would be enough of a deterrent. Once the proper respect for elders - even if a respect based on fear - has been established, then programs of re-habilitation, eduction can be embarked on. But it's futile trying re-habilitative methods on young men who have become wild and who have no reason to give up the thrill of violence for the classroom. For the worst hit areas in large urban conglomerates, the tough clean up police action may be necessary. For the dens of drug -pushers and organised criminals, I would suggest a simple gutting by the SAS, taken city by city. Arrest and imprison those you can, shoot those you can't. |
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| Monday, November 02, 2009 2:41 PM | |||
 Location United Kingdom Tyne and Wear | I think the answer is obvious to anyone who as ever watched these TV Cops type programs... These scum treat the law with impunity because they rely on soft sentencing. Tougher penalties are all that are required! No more "community" sentences, no more police cautions! Get them inside for goodness sakes - and make prison life a little tougher! No more TVs and playstations in the cells! Lets make prison more accessible to these people but less attractive! G |
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